Mulva;1642370 wrote:I don't understand the argument you're trying to make. How do you "know it's because of the system"? The guys you listed all went on to do absolutely nothing in the NBA. Same with Julian Wright, Cole Aldrich, Thomas Robinson, and the Morrises. It's not like they left "the system" and suddenly started putting up huge individual stats.

If anything, the argument should be that the system made all of them appear better than they were.

SportsAndLady;1642372 wrote:Morrii are actually doing okay in Phoenix lol

Mulva;1642373 wrote:Yeah, Markieff had a solid year. Marcus is still pretty bad. I always figured it would turn out the other way around.

sportswizuhrd;1642314 wrote:Still waiting to see Parker in a Cavs uniform. Thats who LeBron wanted them to draft, right?

Mulva;1642370 wrote:I don't understand the argument you're trying to make. How do you "know it's because of the system"? The guys you listed all went on to do absolutely nothing in the NBA. Same with Julian Wright, Cole Aldrich, Thomas Robinson, and the Morrises. It's not like they left "the system" and suddenly started putting up huge individual stats.

If anything, the argument should be that the system made all of them appear better than they were.

sleeper;1642439 wrote:Not worried about Love's defense. More worried about overpaying for an asset that has no guarantees to re-sign here. It's a bad trade; I won't bitch about it since we are getting Love but its still not a good value trade given the circumstances.

Commander of Awesome;1642426 wrote:Read this today about loves defense:

"Some may harp on Love's defense, but they are operating from two mistaken ideas.
First, Kevin Love's defense has gotten better. Even without playing with a rim protector at Center (a must for any team but even more essential for a team with Love), he did pretty well last season on that end. Many of us also underrate the importance of defensive rebounding in the overall equation since they actually end possessions. Love has been elite on the defensive boards his entire NBA career and sat fifth last season and third over the last three combined behind only Omer Asik and Dwight Howard.
On top of that, poor power forward defense can be more easily mitigated than other positions. We saw this with the Warriors and David Lee last season and numerous other franchises in recent years."

robj55;1642466 wrote:I've been talking about the defensive rebounding portion for a while now, people always tend to leave that out of the equation.

Crimson streak;1642456 wrote:Love will be signing a 5 year extension

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1642500 wrote:The Cavs offered a first-round pick to the Nuggets for Timofey Mozgov.

The Cavs will need a center behind Anderson Varejao and Mozgov would be a nice fit. He's not a great offensive guy, but who needs more offense with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love? Mozgov projects as the starting center for the Nuggets, so if he's dealt he'd open up more playing time for JaVale McGee, J.J. Hickson, Jusuf Nurkic.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1642500 wrote:The Cavs offered a first-round pick to the Nuggets for Timofey Mozgov.

The Cavs will need a center behind Anderson Varejao and Mozgov would be a nice fit. He's not a great offensive guy, but who needs more offense with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love? Mozgov projects as the starting center for the Nuggets, so if he's dealt he'd open up more playing time for JaVale McGee, J.J. Hickson, Jusuf Nurkic.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1642500 wrote:The Cavs offered a first-round pick to the Nuggets for Timofey Mozgov.

The Cavs will need a center behind Anderson Varejao and Mozgov would be a nice fit. He's not a great offensive guy, but who needs more offense with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love? Mozgov projects as the starting center for the Nuggets, so if he's dealt he'd open up more playing time for JaVale McGee, J.J. Hickson, Jusuf Nurkic.

mucalum49;1642515 wrote:That deal would be fine but I'd kick the tires on Emeka Okafor for veteran minimum before resorting to trading that #1 for Mozgov.

sleeper;1642517 wrote:Okafor blows dick, but I tend to agree. If we can get him for vets minimum it would be worth it.

Commander of Awesome;1642468 wrote:We'll see if he can keep it up. Cavs haven't had a great rebounder other than Andy for a long time.

like_that;1642510 wrote:I honestly don't know much about him. Is he worth it? Where is HB when you need him? He hasn't posted in a long time.

robj55;1642530 wrote:HB is now KB on here.