pit bulls and those who love them

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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 8:14am
Your basic pit bull lovers supporting one doing what comes natural.
Violent dog attacked child's face after the four-year-old-boy took his bone
Thousands of people have
taken to Facebook to defend a vicious pitbull after he chewed on a four-year-old kid’s face last month.
More than 43,000 dog-lovers have liked the Save Mickey Facebook page in support of the beast who cracked little Kevin Vicente’s jaw, cheekbone and eye socket when he nearly ripped off the boy’s face in a nightmarish mauling in Phoenix. The savage canine is scheduled to be euthanized after its owners gave him up in the wake of the mauling. A judge could rule March 25 on whether Mickey will be euthanized, and the dog already has a team of pro-bono lawyers fighting for his life.
Attorney John Schill, who is defending Mickey in court, says the blame lies with the adults who were responsible for Kevin, not Mickey. “Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin’s pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog,” Schill said, according to the Associated Press.
That “innocent dog” also killed another dog last year, the Arizona Republic reports.
Adults who were present say the dog attacked when Kevin took his bone. Kevin’s mother, a single mom, has had to quit her job to care for the boy, who may require months or years of reconstructive surgery.
 
http://time.com/26960/mickey-kevin-vicente-dog-mauling/


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Devils Advocate
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Mar 18, 2014 8:49am
Thanks for the heads up. I too am in support of the pit bull.

Since the child survived, Darwins law has been averted once again
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WebFire
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Mar 18, 2014 8:52am
I had a basset hound bite me right in the face after I took her bone, when I was a kid. Had to have stitches in 2 different places on my face.
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 9:41am
Devils Advocate;1592332 wrote:Thanks for the heads up. I too am in support of the pit bull.

Since the child survived, Darwins law has been averted once again
another pit doing what comes natural
A 3-year-old girl was attacked and killed by her family's pit bull on Monday.
Braelynn Rayne Coulter of High Point, N.C., was rushed to a hospital but succumbed to her wounds, WFMY reports.
Coulter's mom tried to save her daughter, but the dog, who is now at an animal shelter, attacked the mother as well.
The toddler's family released a statement to the station



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/27/braelynn-rayne-coulter-pit-bull_n_4867127.html
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 9:44am
WebFire;1592334 wrote:I had a basset hound bite me right in the face after I took her bone, when I was a kid. Had to have stitches in 2 different places on my face.
gosh a ruddies did a basset does this


Eleven-month-old Ava-Jayne Corless was asleep in bed upstairs at a house in Blackburn when she was attacked by the pit bull terrier, reportedly called 'Killer'. Chloe King, 20, and 26-year-old Lee Wright were said to be downstairs at the time of the "horrific" incident around 11pm on Monday.

Police and ambulance staff tried to resuscitate Ava-Jayne at the property in Emily Street but she was pronounced dead at Royal Blackburn Hospital a short while later
http://news.sky.com/story/1209725/pit-bull-dog-kills-baby-girl-in-blackburn
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Gblock
Mar 18, 2014 9:54am
no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners...

i know ten times more people who have been bitten by Labs than i do pit bulls. ill give you that pit bull bites are more severe and grab more headlines. i can provide many examples in my circle of pit bulls who are way more gentle than the dogs of some of my other friends.
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Rotinaj
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Mar 18, 2014 10:09am
Gblock;1592343 wrote:no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners...

i know ten times more people who have been bitten by Labs than i do pit bulls. ill give you that pit bull bites are more severe and grab more headlines. i can provide many examples in my circle of pit bulls who are way more gentle than the dogs of some of my other friends.
I don't buy this. Some dogs are just dicks. I do believe you are correct for the vast majority though.
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Devils Advocate
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Mar 18, 2014 10:14am
isadore;1592342 wrote:gosh a ruddies did a basset does this


Eleven-month-old Ava-Jayne Corless was asleep in bed upstairs at a house in Blackburn when she was attacked by the pit bull terrier, reportedly called 'Killer'. Chloe King, 20, and 26-year-old Lee Wright were said to be downstairs at the time of the "horrific" incident around 11pm on Monday.

Police and ambulance staff tried to resuscitate Ava-Jayne at the property in Emily Street but she was pronounced dead at Royal Blackburn Hospital a short while later
http://news.sky.com/story/1209725/pit-bull-dog-kills-baby-girl-in-blackburn
From your linked article
[h=3]Dangerous Dogs And The Law[/h] Updated: 10:39am UK, Wednesday 27 March 2013
More than 6,600 people were treated for dog bites in 2011-2012, but most attacks are not by banned animals.

:: What is a dangerous dog, under the law?
Under the law, a dog is considered to be dangerously out of control if it injures someone or makes someone worried it might injure them.
A court can also decide that a dog is dangerously out of control if it injures another animal and if the owner of another animal thinks they could be hurt trying to stop the attack on their animal.
A farmer can kill a dog that is worrying their livestock.
:: Which dogs are banned?
It is against the law to own four certain types of dog: Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero.
Plus it's in the UK. Who fucking cares.
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Zunardo
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Mar 18, 2014 10:15am
The problem being, if the bad owner doesn't control a dog - any dog - who attacks that viciously (even as a reflex response to a youngster who is not aware of the danger), then that just reinforces the response in the dog's mind - once that is set, it becomes better for society to euthanize the dog to prevent a possible future occurence, as well as to go after the owners for criminal/civil liability. The other problem, from what I've read, is that pit bulls have a much stronger bite than most breeds, and therefore cause much more tissue and nerve damage.

I'll be honest, I don't personally care for pit bulls as a breed, and I've seen too many real-life examples of men who obviously purchased them to give themselves more of a macho persona (I'm tough - look, I've got a pitbull - and you know what that means!). I did live next door to a guy who had one, and the dog was reasonably friendly, but I did not allow my sons, who were 8 and 6 at the time, to be in the same area when the dog was out in the neighbor's yard.

I also know several people who truly enjoy them as a breed, train them well, and have no problems. But each case needs to be examined separately.
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 10:18am
Gblock;1592343 wrote:no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners...

i know ten times more people who have been bitten by Labs than i do pit bulls. ill give you that pit bull bites are more severe and grab more headlines. i can provide many examples in my circle of pit bulls who are way more gentle than the dogs of some of my other friends.
bad owners for all types of dogs but no breed has the death count of pits
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Mar 18, 2014 10:20am
How about wolves fucktard?
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 10:26am
Devils Advocate;1592353 wrote:From your linked article


Plus it's in the UK. Who fucking cares.
gosh of course you don't care. Many dogs bite but none kill like pits
here is another American child recently killed by a pit
TEMPLE, Texas (KXAN) — A 2-year-old Central Texas girl is dead after a dog her family was watching for a friend attacked her.
Temple police say Je’vaeh Mayes died Monday afternoon at Scott & White Memorial Hospital after the late-morning attack. They say the girl wandered into the backyard without anyone noticing.
“I just can’t believe this happened,” said the girl’s aunt, Alicia McGinnis. “It’s just heartbreaking. I can’t believe she’s gone.”
“She was so intelligent,” said Gary Mann, who lived across the street. “The whole neighborhood just loved her. She would smile and light everything up. She loved dogs. And her mother is so upset. She’s doing really bad. We all feel bad because we tried to help but there was nothing we could do.”
Mann said it happened in less than 15 minutes.
“She was gentle to everybody, always smiling,” said family friend Kimberley Isaac. “I just loved her.”
The Mayes family had their own pit bull that neighbors and family members say is friendly, and the kids play with it all the time. It’s unclear why the visiting pit bull turned and attacked the 2-year-old.
The dog is currently being held at Temple Animal Control. It will be observed for 10 days to determine whether any medical issue caused the dog to attack. After that, it will be up to a judge to determine what will happen with the pit bull.
The owner of the pit bull told police the dog had never been aggressive before, and police confirmed they had no reports on file of previous bites by that particular dog.
No charges are currently filed. Feb 18, 2014
http://kxan.com/2014/02/18/central-texas-girl-2-fatally-mauled-by-dog/
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WebFire
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Mar 18, 2014 10:27am
Zunardo;1592354 wrote: I'll be honest, I don't personally care for pit bulls as a breed, and I've seen too many real-life examples of men who obviously purchased them to give themselves more of a macho persona (I'm tough - look, I've got a pitbull - and you know what that means!). I did live next door to a guy who had one, and the dog was reasonably friendly, but I did not allow my sons, who were 8 and 6 at the time, to be in the same area when the dog was out in the neighbor's yard.

I also know several people who truly enjoy them as a breed, train them well, and have no problems. But each case needs to be examined separately.
All of this.
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 10:31am
Devils Advocate;1592357 wrote:How about wolves fucktard?


Gosh a ruddies here is Timothy Treadwell who lived with bears until they ate him.
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Gblock
Mar 18, 2014 10:32am
pit bulls were removed from dangerous breed catagory in 2012 in ohio

as for owners and training that could be said for any breed of dog. Pit bulls are absolutley not more prone to attack than any other dog..although the have the tools for it and obviously can cause more damage when they do it.
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Gblock
Mar 18, 2014 10:33am
5 minutes on google can provide plenty of studies and stats to show pit bulls arent the problem, rather bad ownership
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Belly35
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Mar 18, 2014 10:37am
Gblock;1592343 wrote:no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners...

i know ten times more people who have been bitten by Labs than i do pit bulls. ill give you that pit bull bites are more severe and grab more headlines. i can provide many examples in my circle of pit bulls who are way more gentle than the dogs of some of my other friends.
I agree .. Don’t blame the dog for ownership incompetency.
Years ago I trained dogs in Obedience CD, CDX and Field Training.
When we would start a new class of Obedience I would just cringes at the future of some of the owners and their dogs. Dog selection is very important and proper training for that breed of dog should be considered. At times I did know who needed the training more the dog or the owners. Some people should not have any type of pets ever. Training, discipline, love, care, maintenance and consistency is the standards for a well behaved pet without those factors in place you have nightmare waiting to happen.
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WebFire
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Mar 18, 2014 10:59am
Gblock;1592364 wrote:pit bulls were removed from dangerous breed catagory in 2012 in ohio

as for owners and training that could be said for any breed of dog. Pit bulls are absolutley not more prone to attack than any other dog..although the have the tools for it and obviously can cause more damage when they do it.
While this is true, the reason I don't trust pits is for 2 reasons:

1. Many tough guys and dumbass idiots get pitbulls and don't train them properly, or train them to be aggressive, just to be cool or tough. I don't trust them or their dogs.

2. When pits do attack, they can do a lot of damage. Sure, other breeds attack, but if I have the choice of my kid getting attacked by a pit or a little dog I can punt 30 yards in the air, I'll take the latter.
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Al Bundy
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Mar 18, 2014 11:00am
Zunardo;1592354 wrote:The problem being, if the bad owner doesn't control a dog - any dog - who attacks that viciously (even as a reflex response to a youngster who is not aware of the danger), then that just reinforces the response in the dog's mind - once that is set, it becomes better for society to euthanize the dog to prevent a possible future occurence, as well as to go after the owners for criminal/civil liability. The other problem, from what I've read, is that pit bulls have a much stronger bite than most breeds, and therefore cause much more tissue and nerve damage.

I'll be honest, I don't personally care for pit bulls as a breed, and I've seen too many real-life examples of men who obviously purchased them to give themselves more of a macho persona (I'm tough - look, I've got a pitbull - and you know what that means!). I did live next door to a guy who had one, and the dog was reasonably friendly, but I did not allow my sons, who were 8 and 6 at the time, to be in the same area when the dog was out in the neighbor's yard.

I also know several people who truly enjoy them as a breed, train them well, and have no problems. But each case needs to be examined separately.
Are you telling us that kids are safer if their parents act like parents and do not let their kids get into dangerous situations? Who ever would have imagined that?
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isadore
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Mar 18, 2014 11:09am
Pits are killers
Fatal dog attacks a year
 
2010 36 Pit bull (15) (42%) Mixed breed dog (9) (25%) Rottweiler (4) (11%)
2011 33 Pit bull (14) (42%) Mixed breed dog (8) (24%) Rottweiler (4) (12%)
2012 35 Pit bull (13) (37%) Mixed breed dog (9) (26%) Rottweiler (3) (9%)
2013 31 Pit bull (15) (48%) Mixed breed dog (12) (39%) Others (4) (13%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
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Gblock
Mar 18, 2014 11:16am
isadore;1592379 wrote:Pits are killers
Fatal dog attacks a year
 
2010 36 Pit bull (15) (42%) Mixed breed dog (9) (25%) Rottweiler (4) (11%)
2011 33 Pit bull (14) (42%) Mixed breed dog (8) (24%) Rottweiler (4) (12%)
2012 35 Pit bull (13) (37%) Mixed breed dog (9) (26%) Rottweiler (3) (9%)
2013 31 Pit bull (15) (48%) Mixed breed dog (12) (39%) Others (4) (13%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
I stipulated that pit bull bites are more serious than other dogs...again not the fault of the dog or the breed. bad ownership...please provide the percentage of all dog bites to pit bulls and pits are not number one.
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lhslep134
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Mar 18, 2014 11:17am
Why do you guys give this clown the satisfaction of responding to his ignorance?
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Mar 18, 2014 11:20am
lhslep134;1592384 wrote:Why do you guys give this clown the satisfaction of responding to his ignorance?
It is Isadore, we all know he is a troll. We love all dogs, but pits can be unpredictable. Our hounds/retrievers would never hurt any human, the pits or put mixes might.
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wildcats20
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Mar 18, 2014 11:25am
Manhattan Buckeye;1592387 wrote:It is Isadore, we all know he is a troll. We love all dogs, but pits can be unpredictable. Our hounds/retrievers would never hurt any human, the pits or put mixes might.
ALL dogs are unpredictable.
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Mar 18, 2014 11:27am
wildcats20;1592392 wrote:ALL dogs are unpredictable.
Not ours. Would never, ever, harm a child.