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Mar 21, 2014 9:04 AM
No, that is past tense. I'm not anymore, and yes, there are tons of douchebags that work there, including people that call their boyfriends "partners."
Mar 21, 2014 9:04am
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bases_loaded

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Mar 22, 2014 10:35 AM
MH370 WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries admits CEO of Malaysian Airlines | Mail Online
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Mar 22, 2014 10:35am
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Mar 22, 2014 12:53 PM
Tiernan;1594125 wrote:^^^
hey everybody MB just found another way to let us all know he's a fkg lawyer!
And still hammering home the fact he still has no idea how to quote.
Mar 22, 2014 12:53pm
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Mar 22, 2014 1:39 PM
bases_loaded;1594975 wrote:MH370 WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries admits CEO of Malaysian Airlines | Mail Online
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Wouldn't most planes have these types of batteries on board? I don't believe there are any non-flammable lithium ion batteries on the market.
Mar 22, 2014 1:39pm
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Mar 22, 2014 1:45 PM
Jawbreaker;1595001 wrote:Wouldn't most planes have these types of batteries on board? I don't believe there are any non-flammable lithium ion batteries on the market.
I believe there was a large quantity in the cargo area.
Mar 22, 2014 1:45pm
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Mar 22, 2014 3:33 PM
Haven't batteries like this caused fires on air crafts before
Mar 22, 2014 3:33pm
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Mar 22, 2014 3:49 PM
Hey I know lets transport a huge load of highly flammable batteries in the cargo of passenger planes...yeah that sounds like a great idea.
Mar 22, 2014 3:49pm
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Mar 22, 2014 4:12 PM
sportchampps;1595027 wrote:Haven't batteries like this caused fires on air crafts before
Yes. It's all in the article like the question I answered above
Mar 22, 2014 4:12pm
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reclegend22

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Mar 22, 2014 7:56 PM
Nobody knows anything. More updates later.
Mar 22, 2014 7:56pm
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Mar 22, 2014 9:14 PM
Batteries have been known, on rare occasions, to explode. But given these were on there way TO China, then they weren't cheap chinese batteries :)

They seem pretty confident the new waypoint was entered in the computer 12-minutes before final sign-off when everything was "ok". Haven't heard any explanations of why a pilot would do that other than some nefarious purpose.
Mar 22, 2014 9:14pm
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Mar 22, 2014 9:46 PM
gut;1595154 wrote:Batteries have been known, on rare occasions, to explode. But given these were on there way TO China, then they weren't cheap chinese batteries :)

They seem pretty confident the new waypoint was entered in the computer 12-minutes before final sign-off when everything was "ok". Haven't heard any explanations of why a pilot would do that other than some nefarious purpose.
So then that pretty much rules out the theory that the pilots reversed course over the south China sea in pursuit of the nearest airport due to some kind of catastrophic event (e.g. cockpit fire).
Mar 22, 2014 9:46pm
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Mar 22, 2014 10:01 PM
reclegend22;1595186 wrote:So then that pretty much rules out the theory that the pilots reversed course over the south China sea in pursuit of the nearest airport due to some kind of catastrophic event (e.g. cockpit fire).
I would think. Maybe there was some sort of fire or depressurization event as result of it, but unless they are mistaken about the new waypoint (which I thought the US confirmed) then I don't know how you can conclude anything other than someone diverted the plane. And entirely too coincidental that the plane went dark precisely at the hand-off between ATC's (which doesn't strike me as the easiest thing for a hijacker/terrorist to know, either).
Mar 22, 2014 10:01pm
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Mar 23, 2014 8:09 AM
dlazz;1594994 wrote:And still hammering home the fact he still has no idea how to quote.
along with you hammering home something that no one gives a fuck about.
Mar 23, 2014 8:09am
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Mar 23, 2014 8:10 AM
sportchampps;1595027 wrote:Haven't batteries like this caused fires on air crafts before
Don't know, but they would have had plenty of time to send a distress message.
Mar 23, 2014 8:10am
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Mar 23, 2014 8:56 AM
From what I've read after as little as 8 second from the plane being depressurized it becomes nearly impossible to complete even the simplest task. Paynes Stewarts plane didn't have time to do anything really.
Mar 23, 2014 8:56am
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sportchampps

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Mar 23, 2014 8:58 AM
So they could have realized there was a problem and changed course back to an airport or just tried getting out of other planes flight paths before they realized they were in bigger trouble then they thought.
Mar 23, 2014 8:58am
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Mar 23, 2014 10:55 AM
That doesn't explain why the pilots would have entered the new waypoints more than 10 minutes before giving ground control that final "All right, good night" call.
Mar 23, 2014 10:55am
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Mar 23, 2014 11:07 AM
A lot of push right now from experts of various fields to move the search to land. Most of the resources right now are being dedicated in the southern Indian Ocean. From the beginning, I've never understood why there isn't much focus at all on land. There really isn't much evidence either way, and right now there is a water cyclone over the search zone in the Indian making the search pretty much futile. So it could be days before those objects in question are even properly vetted.

While the plane might be three miles at the bottom of the ocean, in which case it will never be found, there should be just as much presence on land masses within the search parameters as well.
Mar 23, 2014 11:07am
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Mar 23, 2014 4:20 PM
Satellite data has now made a possible 3rd identification of potential debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Malaysia is no walking back (big shocker) that there was evidence that new waypoint was pre-programmed. That would put the mechanical/emergency issue back in the lead with no real evidence favoring a different explanation. Although that happening minutes after the last comm and around the time of the ATC hand-off would be remarkably coincidental.
Mar 23, 2014 4:20pm
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Mar 23, 2014 5:44 PM
gut;1595579 wrote:Satellite data has now made a possible 3rd identification of potential debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Malaysia is no walking back (big shocker) that there was evidence that new waypoint was pre-programmed. That would put the mechanical/emergency issue back in the lead with no real evidence favoring a different explanation. Although that happening minutes after the last comm and around the time of the ATC hand-off would be remarkably coincidental.
Except, if that is the debris and the plane did end up in the southern Indian Ocean, it means the plane made a direct turn south at some point off the west coast of Malaysia. So that would seem to work against the "ghost plane" theory. At least from what I have heard from the perspective of different pilots discussing the matter the past couple of days.
Mar 23, 2014 5:44pm
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Mar 23, 2014 6:01 PM
reclegend22;1595673 wrote: So that would seem to work against the "ghost plane" theory.
One would think, however there could be a couple of explanations for it. Although it seems unlikely a "meandering" plane due to turbulence and the fly-by-wire would be efficient enough to make it that far down the southern corridor.

I'm just saying with nothing to suggest either pilot might be suicidal that it would take some real evidence to rule out mechanical/fire. Who knows what mistakes might have been made as a pilot was losing consciousness. I never saw confirmation if Indonesia had it on radar or not - conceivable the plane flew a straight line to wherever it ended (i.e. were trying to "aviate" and never made it to "navigate" before losing consciousness).
Mar 23, 2014 6:01pm
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Mar 23, 2014 8:41 PM
CNN calling it a Zombie plane.
Mar 23, 2014 8:41pm
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gut

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Mar 23, 2014 8:54 PM
Tiernan;1595792 wrote:CNN calling it a Zombie plane.
LOL, so after entertaining pretty much every theory under the sun BUT mechanical failure for nearly two weeks...

The reversal on the turn data was interesting - could have sworn the US confirmed that days ago, maybe even a week ago. Breathes new life into the CNN coverage as now they can beat to death the one theory that they appeared willing to dismiss.
Mar 23, 2014 8:54pm
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Mar 24, 2014 12:03 AM
reclegend22;1595383 wrote:That doesn't explain why the pilots would have entered the new waypoints more than 10 minutes before giving ground control that final "All right, good night" call.
unless we know what the new waypoint was, that means nothing. what if it was a new way point to avoid bad weather?
Mar 24, 2014 12:03am
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Mar 24, 2014 12:13 AM
Glory Days;1595897 wrote:unless we know what the new waypoint was, that means nothing. what if it was a new way point to avoid bad weather?
That's a good thought, but based on what I've heard you can rule that out. They made like a 120 degree turn (that took @2 minutes, which is probably 4-6X longer than your typical turns/routing adjustments), and never communicated anything about weather or turbulence that I'm aware of (sure we would have heard by now if that was the case).

The waypoint was out over by some airport on the NE coast of Malaysia, although I suppose they might fly just partway there before turning or entering a different waypoint.
Mar 24, 2014 12:13am