Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Feb 4, 2014 9:40am
Let me introduce to you, the "RIP" (Radically Invasive Projectile)
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-rip-bullet-that-will-take-out-all-your-vital-organs-1515333535
Believeit or not, many people are outraged at this new ammo. I just don't get the argument. If a bullet is lethal, and a hollow point is "more lethal" Who gives a shit if a round liquifies your guts. It seems more humane to me.The manufacturer calls these "the last round you will ever need," designed to "take out all your vital organs," opening "nine separate wound channels" and making your guts explode beyond repair
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-rip-bullet-that-will-take-out-all-your-vital-organs-1515333535
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 4, 2014 10:05am
Started seeing these a couple weeks ago. They are badass.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Feb 4, 2014 10:23am
I have a few boxes of Shredder bullets but this very interesting.... Only in 9mm for now.
Just think what a .45 would do????
Just think what a .45 would do????
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 4, 2014 11:11am
Whats the over/under on how long until these new bullets are used in a public shooting?
Would make for a great bet in vBookie.....just kidding.
Would make for a great bet in vBookie.....just kidding.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 4, 2014 11:15am
No doubt.said_aouita;1576227 wrote:Whats the over/under on how long until these new bullets are used in a public shooting?
Would make for a great bet in vBookie.....just kidding.
Someone would def bet all they got and then do the shooting to rack in the vdollars!!
I think the "outrage" that some have is if you hit someone with this...they are dead. If you shoot someone with a regular bullet there is a much better chance they will survive. If you are in danger all you really need is for something to knock down the bad dude, and render him pretty much useless for awhile. Some say ya want to kill whomever, but the general thought is you want to eliminate the threat with the least possible force possible, and this bullet goes beyond that.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 4, 2014 11:34am
That is the point of anyone shooting anyone. You shoot to kill. You sound like one of the ignorant people that comment on how a cop should have just shot the guy in the leg or why didn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand.thavoice;1576229 wrote:No doubt.
I think the "outrage" that some have is if you hit someone with this...they are dead. If you shoot someone with a regular bullet there is a much better chance they will survive. If you are in danger all you really need is for something to knock down the bad dude, and render him pretty much useless for awhile. Some say ya want to kill whomever, but the general thought is you want to eliminate the threat with the least possible force possible, and this bullet goes beyond that.
If you carry a gun, you make the decision that you are willing to kill anything that you point it at. No one should shoot to injure. If you just want to render someone useless for a while, carry a stun gun.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 4, 2014 11:51am
I am not one of them who say a cop should shoot to just maim the guy and stop him. There are those idiots out there, no doubt about that. You should for center mass.TedSheckler;1576237 wrote:That is the point of anyone shooting anyone. You shoot to kill. You sound like one of the ignorant people that comment on how a cop should have just shot the guy in the leg or why didn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand.
If you carry a gun, you make the decision that you are willing to kill anything that you point it at. No one should shoot to injure. If you just want to render someone useless for a while, carry a stun gun.
And if any of us do need to use deadly force, yeah, killing the intruder/bad guy is what we reasonable expect when ya shoot someone. When I say render someone useless for awhile, I am meaning that it isnt until medical professionals get ahold of the person and stablize them....not just to subdue them for a little while.
I am just stating what I expect those who oppose this kind of ammo, yet for regular ammo, would have a problem with that it pretty much will kill the guy.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Feb 4, 2014 12:21pm
Love this... Liberal and Democrat wanting to ban lead bullets, closing down melting operations of lead manufacturing, “Green Bullet" ... sorry but this is America and America ingenuity has just replied to their stupidity. We as Americans will create a more deadly bullet, a different bullet, more effective bullet and make it out of something other than lead…
I’m sure this bullet was being developed for sometime and would have come into the public market anyways … but I find this interesting that it comes out now… "Don't Tread on Me"
I’m sure this bullet was being developed for sometime and would have come into the public market anyways … but I find this interesting that it comes out now… "Don't Tread on Me"
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Feb 4, 2014 11:46pm
Cops do not shoot to kill, they shoot to stop the threat. Shooting to kill assumes the cops continue shooting until the bad guy is dead, not until they are incapacitated etc.TedSheckler;1576237 wrote:That is the point of anyone shooting anyone. You shoot to kill. You sound like one of the ignorant people that comment on how a cop should have just shot the guy in the leg or why didn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand.
If you carry a gun, you make the decision that you are willing to kill anything that you point it at. No one should shoot to injure. If you just want to render someone useless for a while, carry a stun gun.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 4, 2014 11:56pm
If you make the decision to draw your weapon, you never point a loaded gun at anything you're not willing and able to kill.
Basic firearms rule.
Basic firearms rule.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Feb 4, 2014 11:58pm
Dead men tell no lies. So the instructor told my wife's CCW class.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Feb 5, 2014 6:18am
so shes tired of you lying to her?OSH;1576562 wrote:Dead men tell no lies. So the instructor told my wife's CCW class.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 5, 2014 12:27pm
over kill?Just think what a .45 would do????
Seems to me that there could be a lot of collateral damage with fragments flying all over the place. Not a choice for law enforcement.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 5, 2014 12:52pm
Fragments won't be flying all over the place. LOL
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 5, 2014 9:36pm
I'm just asking Ted....9 exit wounds at different angles?
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 5, 2014 10:12pm
It's a 9mm round. Once it hits something and breaks apart, the 8 trocars loses too much energy to create an exit wound. They are designed to stay in the body.
If you look at the gel block when they shoot into it, the bullet travels a good 12" into it. The trocars only penetrate 5". It loses too much velocity.
If you look at the gel block when they shoot into it, the bullet travels a good 12" into it. The trocars only penetrate 5". It loses too much velocity.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 6, 2014 7:25am
Thanks...what about ricochets or shots that hit surfaces at an oblique angles...Like pavement or walls? Any additional dangers?
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 6, 2014 10:03am
I would say no different that a shotgun shell.
I question how these are going to sell. They are prices at $44 for a box of 20. A little too pricy for me when you can get a box of 50 9mm hollow points for under $30.
I question how these are going to sell. They are prices at $44 for a box of 20. A little too pricy for me when you can get a box of 50 9mm hollow points for under $30.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Feb 6, 2014 5:36pm
Yeah, but these aint targer rounds. Even though they say you can shoot a group of them in 2 inces at 40 yards
If youre lucky, youll never have to shoot one.
If youre lucky, youll never have to shoot one.