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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:13 PM
Con_Alma;1571972 wrote:Opportunity is not a right only perusing one is.
we are increasingly denying people the ability to pursue happiness, following policies that do not promote the general welfare or make us the constantly promised land of opportunity.
Jan 25, 2014 1:13pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:14 PM
Con_Alma;1571976 wrote:It might be but that's not what you were addressing above. By making such a move you would see shifting of assets to other areas...and they wouldn't likely be in the U.S.. That ought to help the economy. It's just another adaptation.
that can be stopped.
Jan 25, 2014 1:14pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:15 PM
The land of opportunity isn't a given. Anyone can pursue happiness. That comes in a variety of forms. Opportunity isn't a right.
Jan 25, 2014 1:15pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:17 PM
isadore;1571980 wrote:that can be stopped.
You are offereing things that have never happend. I wish you luck in trying to stop such activities. The facts are that history shows a pattern of large wealth adapting. Massive government action in the U.S. won't have any different results.
Jan 25, 2014 1:17pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:21 PM
Con_Alma;1571981 wrote:The land of opportunity isn't a given. Anyone can pursue happiness. That comes in a variety of forms. Opportunity isn't a right.
gosh really. Why don't you find me and elected official who does not say that the United States is or should be a land of opportunity. its why the wretched refuse of their teeming shores come here.
Jan 25, 2014 1:21pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:26 PM
Con_Alma;1571982 wrote:You are offereing things that have never happend. I wish you luck in trying to stop such activities. The facts are that history shows a pattern of large wealth adapting. Massive government action in the U.S. won't have any different results.
American history has shown that when government is committed to minimizing maldistribution of wealth it can be successful.
Jan 25, 2014 1:26pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:28 PM
isadore;1571988 wrote:American history has shown that when government is committed to minimizing maldistribution of wealth it can be successful.
1. The truly wealthy will leave. There's no reason for them to participate.

2. Those that lead the government participate in crony capitalism and have no incentive to commit to such an effort.

I wish you luck if you are banking on such a thing happening. You're going to need it.
Jan 25, 2014 1:28pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:31 PM
isadore;1571985 wrote:gosh really. Why don't you find me and elected official who does not say that the United States is or should be a land of opportunity. its why the wretched refuse of their teeming shores come here.

I made no mention of what anyone says. Opportunity is not nor has it ever been a right. Pursuing opportunity is.

If the wretched continue to come here it's because opportunity still exists. According to you we are dwindling that opportunity down.
Jan 25, 2014 1:31pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:35 PM
Con_Alma;1571991 wrote:1. The truly wealthy will leave. There's no reason for them to participate.

2. Those that lead the government participate in crony capitalism and have no incentive to commit to such an effort.

I wish you luck if you are banking on such a thing happening. You're going to need it.
1.if the government is committed to a policy of economic justice, they maybe leaving but it will be without most of their assets.
2. We will see. Extreme crisis have produced real reform.
Jan 25, 2014 1:35pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:39 PM
isadore;1571996 wrote:1.if the government is committed to a policy of economic justice, they maybe leaving but it will be without most of their assets.
2. We will see. Extreme crisis have produced real reform.
You are speculating in hope. Such legislative actions would never be kept secret. We are far from an "extreme crisis". Lol I wish you luck in your hope. You are going to need it.
Jan 25, 2014 1:39pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:40 PM
Con_Alma;1571993 wrote:I made no mention of what anyone says. Opportunity is not nor has it ever been a right. Pursuing opportunity is.

If the wretched continue to come here it's because opportunity still exists. According to you we are dwindling that opportunity down.
Birthrate decline, immigration shrinks as the portals of opportunity shrink. US ranks near the bottom for social mobility of the industrialization nations. The rich get richer, the rest get screwed. And under Reagan\Bush it just gets worse.
Jan 25, 2014 1:40pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:44 PM
Con_Alma;1571998 wrote:You are speculating in hope. Such legislative actions would never be kept secret. We are far from an "extreme crisis". Lol I wish you luck in your hope. You are going to need it.
I bet a lot of people were saying that in September, 1929. The signs were out there, but ignored. And one of the biggest mal distribution of wealth.
Jan 25, 2014 1:44pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:45 PM
isadore;1572000 wrote:Birthrate decline, immigration shrinks as the portals of opportunity shrink. US ranks near the bottom for social mobility of the industrialization nations. The rich get richer, the rest get screwed. And under Reagan\Bush it just gets worse.

Exactly. Just as I stated except that it will continue to take place no matter who's in the White House. You might think it gets worse with a particular philosophy in the White House but it still exists...and will continue to do so.
Jan 25, 2014 1:45pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:47 PM
isadore;1572002 wrote:I bet a lot of people were saying that in September, 1929. The signs were out there, but ignored. And one of the biggest mal distribution of wealth.
Probably. We may get there one day again but we aren't there yet. Best of luck to you and those who are counting on such an "extreme crisis" to mobilize government commitment to legislative restriction on the wealthy. You are a long ways from it right now.
Jan 25, 2014 1:47pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:48 PM
Con_Alma;1572004 wrote:Exactly. Just as I stated except that it will continue take place no matter who's in the White House. You might think it gets worse with a particular philosophy in the White House but it still exists...and will continue to do so.
no sir or m'am as the case maybe. If this President had the kind of majorities in Congress FDR had in 1933-34 who could do something about the situation. The gerrymandered House of Representatives has him hamstrung.
Jan 25, 2014 1:48pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:50 PM
isadore;1572008 wrote:no sir or m'am as the case maybe. If this President had the kind of majorities in Congress FDR had in 1933-34 who could do something about the situation. The gerrymandered House of Representatives has him hamstrung.
"If" plays into the equation. He doesn't have the kind of majority he would need. It's a factor that lends to the continuation of the wealthy continue to accumulate assets.
Jan 25, 2014 1:50pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:50 PM
Con_Alma;1572006 wrote:Probably. We may get there one day again but we aren't there yet. Best of luck to you and those who are counting on such an "extreme crisis" to mobilize government commitment to legislative restriction on the wealthy. You are a long ways from it right now.
aways maybe, but not as far as you think. Have you ever noticed the poll numbers on issue of raising taxes on the rich, the feeling is there, it just needs channeled.
Jan 25, 2014 1:50pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:52 PM
isadore;1572010 wrote:aways maybe, but not as far as you think. Have you ever noticed the poll numbers on issue of raising taxes on the rich, the feeling is there, it just needs channeled.
It is exactly how far I think because how far I think is that it's not today. Of that I am certain.

It will take a lot more than simply raising taxes on the rich. Big wealth creation doesn't come from income.
Jan 25, 2014 1:52pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:53 PM
Con_Alma;1572009 wrote:"If" plays into the equation. He doesn't have the kind of majority he would need. It's a factor that lends to the continuation of the wealthy continue to accumulate assets.
the feeling are there to do this. Just need someone as good as the loons in the NRA at channeling those feeling into legislative results.
Jan 25, 2014 1:53pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:54 PM
It will take more than "feelings". We aren't there. Keep hoping.
Jan 25, 2014 1:54pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:55 PM
Con_Alma;1572012 wrote:It is exactly how far I think because how far I think is that it's not today. Of that I am certain.

Iw ill take a lot more than simply raising taxes on the rich. Big wealth creation doesn't come from income.
every movement has its beginning. Look who is pushing to do something about the mal distribution of wealth, not just the progressives, Obama. Now you have the man of the Year, Pope Francis.
Jan 25, 2014 1:55pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 1:56 PM
Con_Alma;1572014 wrote:It will take more than "feelings". We aren't there. Keep hoping.
heading toward critical mass.
Jan 25, 2014 1:56pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 25, 2014 1:59 PM
isadore;1572015 wrote:every movement has its beginning. Look who is pushing to do something about the mal distribution of wealth, not just the progressives, Obama. Now you have the man of the Year, Pope Francis.

Just I said, we aren't there yet. The wealthy continue to get wealthier. I hope for your sake this the beginning to your prophesy as you claim. SOunds like that's the only hope for those in need of such an economic revolution.
Jan 25, 2014 1:59pm
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Jan 25, 2014 1:59 PM
isadore;1572016 wrote:heading toward critical mass.

...but it's not today.
Jan 25, 2014 1:59pm
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isadore

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Jan 25, 2014 2:03 PM
Con_Alma;1572019 wrote:...but it's not today.
still another 10 hours.
Jan 25, 2014 2:03pm