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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Oct 25, 2013 12:26pm
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/24/21116873-obama-this-is-the-moment-to-get-immigration-reform-done?lite
Wonder if 'now is the time' in order to take the spotlight off of the ObamaKare trainwreck??
Wonder if 'now is the time' in order to take the spotlight off of the ObamaKare trainwreck??
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Oct 25, 2013 12:40pm
I prefer the Clinton method. That is to lob a couple cruise missals because everybody is worried about a blow job.
Oh, that's right! He was trying to kill Osama...... nevermind
Oh, that's right! He was trying to kill Osama...... nevermind
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 25, 2013 12:45pm
As long as they continue to botch the economic recovery with their general incompetence, the government needs not fear a return to massive amounts of illegals flooding the country.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 25, 2013 5:12pm
Obama really doesn't get enough credit for this. He's helped slow the flood of illegals substantially. At least that's how the liberal history books will tell it when they try to spin the Obama admin into anything other than a failure.queencitybuckeye;1523795 wrote:As long as they continue to botch the economic recovery with their general incompetence, the government needs not fear a return to massive amounts of illegals flooding the country.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Oct 25, 2013 6:51pm
We need immigrants though? That's the secret politicians do not tell you, currently all other races have a Fertility Rate of 1.5 per couple which is leading to a decreasing population. That leads to a labor shortage and economic problems, which is why we need these fuckers to enter the labor force and have tons of babies. Hopefully their babies will help pay for the exploding amount of elderly in the nation when they then enter the labor force
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 25, 2013 7:56pm
All immigrants are not the same. We need a liberal (excuse the word, righties) policy, but we need to know who's here. The last thing we need are Jimmy Carter immigrants.Classyposter58;1523980 wrote:We need immigrants though? That's the secret politicians do not tell you, currently all other races have a Fertility Rate of 1.5 per couple which is leading to a decreasing population. That leads to a labor shortage and economic problems, which is why we need these fuckers to enter the labor force and have tons of babies. Hopefully their babies will help pay for the exploding amount of elderly in the nation when they then enter the labor force
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 25, 2013 7:59pm
Those are fair points, but at the risk of upsetting the libs, what we really need are the middle and upper classes to pop-out more kids.Classyposter58;1523980 wrote:We need immigrants though? That's the secret politicians do not tell you, currently all other races have a Fertility Rate of 1.5 per couple which is leading to a decreasing population. That leads to a labor shortage and economic problems, which is why we need these fuckers to enter the labor force and have tons of babies. Hopefully their babies will help pay for the exploding amount of elderly in the nation when they then enter the labor force
With the way the system is designed, the middle/upper class wait longer to get married (financially stable) and have less kids, for a number of reasons. We've made children a source of income for the poor/lower class, and an added expense burden for others. The incentives are a little backwards.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Oct 25, 2013 9:07pm
You get tax breaks for children if you're in the middle class. But yes essentially the US and all of western Europe is having this problem, except their populations are actually declininggut;1523995 wrote:Those are fair points, but at the risk of upsetting the libs, what we really need are the middle and upper classes to pop-out more kids.
With the way the system is designed, the middle/upper class wait longer to get married (financially stable) and have less kids, for a number of reasons. We've made children a source of income for the poor/lower class, and an added expense burden for others. The incentives are a little backwards.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 26, 2013 1:09am
I realize that, but the system is still set-up such that the cost of children is regressive to the middle class and above. Can you provide what you want for 3-4 children or more and still save enough for the quality of retirement you want? That's the choice people are making. People are also marrying later, and couples choosing to wait to have children until they are more financially secure.Classyposter58;1524012 wrote:You get tax breaks for children if you're in the middle class.
That's the problem when big govt and deficits start hurting growth - because the wealthy are going to keep the same pie, so when the pie is smaller that's less for everyone else.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Oct 26, 2013 4:26am
"But yes essentially the US and all of western Europe is having this problem, except their populations are actually declining"
And developed Asian nations. Singapore is practically begging couples to pop out children.
And developed Asian nations. Singapore is practically begging couples to pop out children.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 26, 2013 5:22am
Eventually, ponzi schemes run out of suckers...Manhattan Buckeye;1524104 wrote:
And developed Asian nations. Singapore is practically begging couples to pop out children.
The failures of socialism are not non-obvious, nor trivial...still it has its growing contingent of supporters in the US
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Oct 26, 2013 11:37am
He was actually shooting at Saddam on that one.Devils Advocate;1523789 wrote:I prefer the Clinton method. That is to lob a couple cruise missals because everybody is worried about a blow job.
Oh, that's right! He was trying to kill Osama...... nevermind
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 26, 2013 5:53pm
Socialism preys and feeds on the weak and the self doubters and those that lack confidence. It fosters this by convincing people that others(powerful people, corporations, the 'rich') are responsible for the unsatisfactory in their lives and that people are helpless and need government to assist them . It is a wolf in sheep's clothing that continues to fool people into thinking that this government is benign and can do better than what people can do for themselves. When the illusion of such 'goodness' is exposed, it fails spectactularly.The failures of socialism are not non-obvious, nor trivial...still it has its growing contingent of supporters in the US
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 26, 2013 6:20pm
Replace religion with socialism and its the same.HitsRus;1524292 wrote:Socialism preys and feeds on the weak and the self doubters and those that lack confidence. It fosters this by convincing people that others(powerful people, corporations, the 'rich') are responsible for the unsatisfactory in their lives and that people are helpless and need government to assist them . It is a wolf in sheep's clothing that continues to fool people into thinking that this government is benign and can do better than what people can do for themselves. When the illusion of such 'goodness' is exposed, it fails spectactularly.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 26, 2013 6:35pm
I'm fairly certain you meant to say "replace socialism with religion and it's the same". But - here - let me fix it for you a little more:sleeper;1524300 wrote:Replace religion with socialism and its the same.
Replace Euro-socialism, organized religion, and arrogant secular humanism with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the problems are solved.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Oct 26, 2013 6:36pm
So easy, even a caveman can see it. And yet...it sells like a blue light special at K-Mart. The education of the people could stop the sale, however Americans are farrrr more interested in Kanye & Kim, LiLo, and Honey Boo Boo.HitsRus;1524292 wrote:Socialism preys and feeds on the weak and the self doubters and those that lack confidence. It fosters this by convincing people that others(powerful people, corporations, the 'rich') are responsible for the unsatisfactory in their lives and that people are helpless and need government to assist them . It is a wolf in sheep's clothing that continues to fool people into thinking that this government is benign and can do better than what people can do for themselves. When the illusion of such 'goodness' is exposed, it fails spectactularly.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 26, 2013 6:40pm
Don't forget Miley. : thumbup:BGFalcons82;1524306 wrote:So easy, even a caveman can see it. And yet...it sells like a blue light special at K-Mart. The education of the people could stop the sale, however Americans are farrrr more interested in Kanye & Kim, LiLo, and Honey Boo Boo.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 27, 2013 12:03am
Right because replacing all of that with a hippy religious zealot who spent most of his life trying to convince others he was a god is really relevant to the topic at hand.believer;1524305 wrote:I'm fairly certain you meant to say "replace socialism with religion and it's the same". But - here - let me fix it for you a little more:
Replace Euro-socialism, organized religion, and arrogant secular humanism with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the problems are solved.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Oct 27, 2013 6:51pm
Yeah but some is forced in that part of the world as well. They're problem is space thoughManhattan Buckeye;1524104 wrote:"But yes essentially the US and all of western Europe is having this problem, except their populations are actually declining"
And developed Asian nations. Singapore is practically begging couples to pop out children.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Oct 28, 2013 10:20am
I will help the regime refocus its priorities in three simple words.
1. JOBS
2. JOBS
3. JOBS
1. JOBS
2. JOBS
3. JOBS