sleeper;1523432 wrote:I wouldn't label Christian groups as hate groups or even extremists. I'd prefer something along the lines of "irrational groups" or "groups who don't understand logic", but hate groups? No.

sleeper;1523432 wrote:I wouldn't label Christian groups as hate groups or even extremists. I'd prefer something along the lines of "irrational groups" or "groups who don't understand logic", but hate groups? No.

jmog;1523428 wrote:Yeah, nothing to see here, I'm sure this won't get reported anywhere but Fox.

The army was training soldiers to label evangelical Christian groups as extremists and 'hate groups'.

If they were talking about the Westboro Baptist nutjobs I would have been fine with it. However, they are listing places like the Family Research Council, Catholics, Evangelical Christians, American Family Association, etc.

I'm sure there is nothing to see here though right? Water off the back of the administration once again?

The Army repeatedly told me the briefings were isolated incidents where instructors used materials that were not approved by the military.
McHugh said the instructors used material that is “inaccurate, objectionable and otherwise inconsistent with current Army policy.


So where did the Army instructors get their talking points?
“None of these slides were produced by the Army, but by soldiers who included information found during an Internet search,” Patterson told me.

queencitybuckeye;1523453 wrote:The extreme edges of the Christian faith are every bit as wackadoodle as the Islamic extremists that we use to spew hate toward the mainstream majority.

BoatShoes;1523464 wrote:Unsurprisingly, none of these so-called briefings on Christian Extremists were part of organized Army training.

superman;1523723 wrote:Serious question, when was the last time Christians murdered thousands of innocents in the name of Christ?

queencitybuckeye;1523725 wrote:Every time we go to war in the Middle East. We just pretend religion isn't a factor.

jmog;1523766 wrote:Wrong, we pretend oil isn't a factor when it is so obvious that it is.

We don't go there because we are "Christians" to kill the evil "Muslims". Its mostly about oil, partially about terrorists.

queencitybuckeye;1523725 wrote:Every time we go to war in the Middle East. We just pretend religion isn't a factor.

sleeper;1523770 wrote:A bit ethnocentric. We are only one side of the perspective; they certainly think its about Christians killing Muslims.

superman;1523822 wrote:Pretty sure we were attacked first in the case of Afghanistan.

queencitybuckeye;1523831 wrote:Didn't say we weren't, just that it's foolish to pretend that religion had nothing to do with it. Would we have done the same had the terrorists come from a predominately Christian country?

jmog;1523766 wrote:Wrong, we pretend oil isn't a factor when it is so obvious that it is.

We don't go there because we are "Christians" to kill the evil "Muslims". Its mostly about oil, partially about terrorists.

Heretic;1523837 wrote:Didn't W. Bush make comments along the line of it being a holy war when we went to Iraq after 9/11 or at the very least, at least regularly use religious-themed words (like Crusade) when talking about us versus the Middle East? While it may have been a smoke screen to make it look less about oil and more about ideology, the sentiment at least was there to some degree.

jmog;1523844 wrote:Maybe he did, if he called it a 'holy war' could you please provide a link to the quote? I'd love to read it, but I don't remember such comments.

Heretic;1523854 wrote:Ah, after doing some research, it seems like his comments may or may not actually be true. The actual quote was:

“God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”

However, that quote was by the Palestinian prime minister allegedly quoting Bush, so there's not any definite proof that he actually said it or whether it was that guy manipulating his words to make it look like he was turning it into a holy war. Of which the latter is the safer bet.

jmog;1523859 wrote:So long story short, no link quoting Bush?

queencitybuckeye;1523831 wrote:Didn't say we weren't, just that it's foolish to pretend that religion had nothing to do with it. Would we have done the same had the terrorists come from a predominately Christian country?

believer;1523879 wrote:No because Christians wouldn't have hijacked airliners, killed their crews, and flown those Boeing aircraft full of innocent people at 600 MPH into skyscrapers full of thousands of innocent people in the name of Christ.