2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!

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Jun 24, 2014 10:54 PM
wildcats20;1629683 wrote:D Wade averaged 14.1 FGA/game.

Bosh averaged 12.1 FGA/game.

So uh...
Coupled with that.

Cousing FGA 16.8
Gay FGA 15.3
Thomas FGA 15.2
Jun 24, 2014 10:54pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:54 PM
robj55;1629684 wrote:How many did Lebron and Bosh combine to shoot per game? Which was the point. Wade has to share with two other stars which hurts his numbers.
No.

Wade's numbers are hurt because he is no longer an elite/great player.
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Jun 24, 2014 10:55 PM
robj55;1629684 wrote:How many did Lebron and Bosh combine to shoot per game? Which was the point. Wade has to share with two other stars which hurts his numbers.
17, which combined with Bosh, is actually less shots than Boogie, and Thomas took from the kings
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Jun 24, 2014 10:57 PM
KB0938;1629678 wrote:Where you getting those from? just curious
Basketball-reference. Should have clarified that's where I was getting all of my stats from.
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Jun 24, 2014 10:58 PM
wildcats20;1629689 wrote:No.

Wade's numbers are hurt because he is no longer an elite/great player.
I disagree, if he didn't shoot so well from the field maybe I would see your point. But he can still get AND make the shots he's always had. He can still rebound and pass, and he makes impact plays on the defensive end, although not as much as he used to. I believe he is the number one shot blocking guard in the history of the game.
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HighRoller74;1629690 wrote:17, which combined with Bosh, is actually less shots than Boogie, and Thomas took from the kings
What did Gay shoot from the field?
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Jun 24, 2014 10:59 PM
robj55;1629675 wrote:Do you even know what those stats mean? I watched the Kings probably 10 times last year, he isn't a good defender, especially for his body frame and athleticism. Should be much better.
Of course I do, why else would I bring them up? It's points each player allows per 100 possessions. But that's only the glossary term, it needs to be applied with more subtlety.

The better question is, DO YOU? Do you know what subtlety needs to be accounted for?
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Jun 24, 2014 11:01 PM
robj55;1629694 wrote:What did Gay shoot from the field?
54%TSP Gay 73gm

58% TSP Wade 54gm
Jun 24, 2014 11:01pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:04 PM
lhslep134;1629695 wrote:Of course I do, why else would I bring them up? It's points each player allows per 100 possessions. But that's only the glossary term, it needs to be applied with more subtlety.

The better question is, DO YOU? Do you know what subtlety needs to be accounted for?
I don't know what the average is so how can I compare players? What I do know is that Wade has made and still occasionally makes impact plays on the defensive side of the ball. Whether it be steals or timely blocks which he leads all guards in.
Jun 24, 2014 11:04pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:05 PM
lhslep134;1629691 wrote:Basketball-reference. Should have clarified that's where I was getting all of my stats from.
Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
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Jun 24, 2014 11:06 PM
HighRoller74;1629697 wrote:54%TSP Gay 73gm

58% TSP Wade 54gm
He shot 45% from the field, 10 points lower than Wade did. So a 6'8'' in his athletic prime stud shot 10 percent lower than an old not elite 6'4'' 2 guard.
Jun 24, 2014 11:06pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:07 PM
KB0938;1629700 wrote:Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
That right there lets you know that stat means nothing. Lebron is ten times the defender that Melo is, any human eye can catch that.
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KB0938;1629700 wrote:Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:09 PM
robj55;1629702 wrote:He shot 45% from the field, 10 points lower than Wade did. So a 6'8'' in his athletic prime stud shot 10 percent lower than an old not elite 6'4'' 2 guard.
TSP is total shooting percentage, which is the more accepted number. But sure pick in choose what you want to follow.

Also you'll need to factor in the fact that Wade was well rested each game, and factor in the fact he's playing with the best basketball player in the world. He's obviously going to get more open looks/more one on one coverage.
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The notable ones were

Lebron . Defensive plays in isolation with .86 points per play
Melo Defensive plays in isolation with .64 points per play


Lebron defensive plays in the post with .82 points per play
Melo defensive plays in the post with .59 points per play
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lhslep134;1629705 wrote:That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.
Yeah, and he got 2nd team all defense lol. Pretty much off reputation.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:12 PM
HighRoller74;1629707 wrote:TSP is total shooting percentage, which is the more accepted number. But sure pick in choose what you want to follow.

Also you'll need to factor in the fact that Wade was well rested each game, and factor in the fact he's playing with the best basketball player in the world. He's obviously going to get more open looks/more one on one coverage.
True shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many. Wade's game is mostly one on one so he is creating those shots/opportunities by himself largely.
Jun 24, 2014 11:12pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:13 PM
KB0938;1629708 wrote:Advance Stats will show theyre similar, basketball reference isnt the only site that has them close (thast why I asked where he got this from). Obviously Lebron is a better defender on the wing. But hes not much better if at all in the post, and Melo doesnt go out there and do a Steve Nash or James Harden impersonation
Lebron is a much better defender everywhere, any position. Not close. Wish we would see some more effort from Melo on that end, always thought he could do/be more.
Jun 24, 2014 11:13pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14 PM
robj55;1629711 wrote:Trsu shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many.
Includes all shooting metrics, which would better show they efficency of a player.

I think its safe to say that there would be an argument for Wade being better than Gay, but it isn't like he's blowing him out of the water. It's close.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14 PM
lhslep134;1629705 wrote:That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.
You might wanna go back to watching soccer, this basketball thing isn't for you.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14 PM
robj55;1629711 wrote:Trsu shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many.

What does Wade not shooting three's have to do with using true shooting percentage? I would LOVE to hear this logic....
Jun 24, 2014 11:14pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:15 PM
HighRoller74;1629714 wrote:Includes all shooting metrics, which would better show they efficency of a player.

I think its safe to say that there would be an argument for Wade being better than Gay, but it isn't like he's blowing him out of the water. It's close.
Wade is 4% better and 4" shorter with not nearly the athleticism. Rudy Gay isn't a winner either, Wade is, which factors in.
Jun 24, 2014 11:15pm
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Jun 24, 2014 11:15 PM
Commander of Awesome;1629717 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233897/Clippers-Would-Consider-Moving-Blake-In-Deal-For-LeBron

lol this shit is getting beyond ridiculous. However this pretty much proves he's not coming to Cleveland so I hope the idiots will STFU about it.
Doc has said that Griffin is untouchable. Who knows if that is true or not, but it's been said.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:16 PM
robj55;1629718 wrote:Wade is 4% better and 4" shorter with not nearly the athleticism. Rudy Gay isn't a winner either, Wade is, which factors in.
And wtf does that mean? lolfail rob
Jun 24, 2014 11:16pm