elbuckeye28;1601811 wrote:...states that provide consistent data, and had been consistently more successful, experienced a weaker surge (only 63%) compared to the unverifiable data.

That's not necessarily surprising. Besides a variety of factors driving early success/failure, there's obviously less "powder" left to fuel a surge for states that had been more successful.

And I'd also suspect that he 7M target was a very conservative number that they felt would be easy to hit so they could claim a victory. And if they did fall short, well then, shoot, just lie. Because a few months from now when accurate data comes out who is going to care? Certainly not the liberal media, and even if it were an issue people will continue to sign-up which means they could change the narrative, i.e. "well, we actually only got 6M...but now we're at 8M"

The only number that's going to matter, which unfortunately won't be out before the 2014 elections, is whether they cut a check to the insurance companies and how big that might be. A large check would be a big failure, and would mean they fell well short of the number they needed to sign-up and/or got the wrong mix of subscribers. A health provider bailout would be one hell of a matzo ball.

The only number that really matters and will more than likely never be reported is, how many of the 7 million that signed up did not have insurance prior to Obamacare? I suspect that the vast majority of the 7 million are people who lost coverage due to the law and were forced to sign up to provide coverage for themselves and/or families.

• YET ANOTHER ObamaCare surprise waits for consumers: from now until the next open enrollment at the end of this year, most people will simply not be able to buy any health insurance at all — even outside the exchanges.
• Why Delaware's health care premiums are skyrocketing
• VIDEO: Sharp spike in premiums under ObamaCare, report finds

QuakerOats;1602744 wrote:

• YET ANOTHER ObamaCare surprise waits for consumers: from now until the next open enrollment at the end of this year, most people will simply not be able to buy any health insurance at all — even outside the exchanges.
• Why Delaware's health care premiums are skyrocketing
• VIDEO: Sharp spike in premiums under ObamaCare, report finds

And when it's all said and done, there will STILL be 30,000,000 without health insurance. Do any of the Obamabots feel a scintilla of shame for supporting the grand lie???

BGFalcons82;1602810 wrote:Do any of the Obamabots feel a scintilla of shame for supporting the grand lie???

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-studies-raise-red-flags-093000430.html


A good synopsis of the difference between obama propaganda and the reality of the situation.

QuakerOats;1603555 wrote:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-studies-raise-red-flags-093000430.html


A good synopsis of the difference between obama propaganda and the reality of the situation.

I thought, "well, this will be interesting because Yahoo typical has an MSNBC-level slant on politics". Seemed like a decent article, but the write just HAD to throw some non-sensical kool-aid in there that's completely out-of-place with the content of the article.

Sebelius resigning .................. wonder who the new liar will be.

Who wants to be the sucker that lays down in front of that bus?

TedSheckler;1603861 wrote:Who wants to be the sucker that lays down in front of that bus?

Susan Rice probably has some friends/relatives.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/14/survey-shows-obamacare-sending-premiums-rising-at-fastest-clip-in-decades/

Incredible cost increases due to obamaKare!


When the government takes control of 20% of the economy and causes the costs therein to skyrocket, my guess is we will be looking at another major recession.

What this regime has wrought is CRIMINAL!!!


Change we can believe in ...

A friend of mine had a CT scan last month and just got the bill for it. Because of obamacare, his deductible went from $500 to $3000. So now he owes $2500 out of pocket.

like_that;1605300 wrote:A friend of mine had a CT scan last month and just got the bill for it. Because of obamacare, his deductible went from $500 to $3000. So now he owes $2500 out of pocket.

Hah you got it all wrong. Barry promised it would save us all $2500 a year.

like_that;1605300 wrote:A friend of mine had a CT scan last month and just got the bill for it. Because of obamacare, his deductible went from $500 to $3000. So now he owes $2500 out of pocket.

1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

2. You are aware that the Conservative position on Health Insurance is that people should have High Deductible Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans and that a health care reform that is even more conservative than RomneyCare/ObamaCare would be one wherein most current plans which are really more like Pre-Paid health plans than "health insurance" are done away with in favor of high deductible plans.

Manhattan Buckeye, care to chime in on how young men should have high deductible plans??? Etc. Etc.

like_that;1605300 wrote:A friend of mine had a CT scan last month and just got the bill for it. Because of obamacare, his deductible went from $500 to $3000. So now he owes $2500 out of pocket.

The reality and the uncertainly can easily tank the economy.

What a cluster#&^

BoatShoes;1605441 wrote:1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

Because it is.

GET IN THE GAME!!!!

BoatShoes;1605441 wrote:1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

2. You are aware that the Conservative position on Health Insurance is that people should have High Deductible Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans and that a health care reform that is even more conservative than RomneyCare/ObamaCare would be one wherein most current plans which are really more like Pre-Paid health plans than "health insurance" are done away with in favor of high deductible plans.

Manhattan Buckeye, care to chime in on how young men should have high deductible plans??? Etc. Etc.

Because high deductible plans used to be $50/month premium, thanks to Barack Obama they are now $500/month. Affordable health care, for idiots!

And they now cover pregnancy and menstrual issues, for men! Thanks Obama!

Manhattan Buckeye;1605641 wrote:Because high deductible plans used to be $50/month premium, thanks to Barack Obama they are now $500/month. Affordable health care, for idiots!

No they aren't. Hope this helps.

BoatShoes;1605657 wrote:No they aren't. Hope this helps.

Actually they are. Why don't you post a company that shows that its monthly premiums were lowered?

BoatShoes;1605441 wrote:1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

2. You are aware that the Conservative position on Health Insurance is that people should have High Deductible Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans and that a health care reform that is even more conservative than RomneyCare/ObamaCare would be one wherein most current plans which are really more like Pre-Paid health plans than "health insurance" are done away with in favor of high deductible plans.

Manhattan Buckeye, care to chime in on how young men should have high deductible plans??? Etc. Etc.

Uhh because, before obamacare the deductible was $500. They then raised the deductible because of obamacare. THEY TOLD HIM THIS. They raised rates on an avg of 86% in preparation of obamacare.

Keep trying to run away from reality though.

BoatShoes;1605441 wrote:1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

2. You are aware that the Conservative position on Health Insurance is that people should have High Deductible Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans and that a health care reform that is even more conservative than RomneyCare/ObamaCare would be one wherein most current plans which are really more like Pre-Paid health plans than "health insurance" are done away with in favor of high deductible plans.

Manhattan Buckeye, care to chime in on how young men should have high deductible plans??? Etc. Etc.

Why is your reaction always to play the polititard card? It doesn't matter whether the law was passed by Democrats, Republicans, Communists, Fascists, or anyone else. It's bad law, and OF COURSE it's the number one reason for the jump in out of pockets costs, it's absurd to claim otherwise.

queencitybuckeye;1605689 wrote:Why is your reaction always to play the polititard card? It doesn't matter whether the law was passed by Democrats, Republicans, Communists, Fascists, or anyone else. It's bad law, and OF COURSE it's the number one reason for the jump in out of pockets costs, it's absurd to claim otherwise.

Because conservatives did it when bush was in office!!!!!

An average increase of 41%, with LESS CHOICE, and higher deductibles.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/04/49-state-analysis-obamacare-to-increase-individual-market-premiums-by-avg-of-41-subsidies-flow-to-elderly/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/17/study-obamacare-results-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211

http://energycommerce.house.gov/rate-shock


You read all these factual articles, and then you talk to friends who are actually living the obamaKare nightmare - real people with real massive premium increases and huge deductibles, and you start to understand what a horrible law this is, and the incredible destruction it will inflict not only on health care but on the economy as a whole. We are headed to hell to on a fast track.

BoatShoes;1605441 wrote:1. How do you know it was because of Obamacare?

2. You are aware that the Conservative position on Health Insurance is that people should have High Deductible Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans and that a health care reform that is even more conservative than RomneyCare/ObamaCare would be one wherein most current plans which are really more like Pre-Paid health plans than "health insurance" are done away with in favor of high deductible plans.

Manhattan Buckeye, care to chime in on how young men should have high deductible plans??? Etc. Etc.

1. My guess is that the guys insurance company told him that his rates/deductibles were changing due to the ACA.
2. You do realize you are wrong. The conservative plan included catastrophic plans as an OPTION, not as the norm for everyone like you are suggesting. How do you know that his friend was a "young man"?