1. Was Zimmerman following Martin? Yes, he did follow after martin
2. Is that illegal? What he did is not illegal.
3. Did Martin attack Zimmerman? The evidence supports martin starting the physical altercation
4. What would you have done?in the exact circumstance: pull the trigger.

I would have identified my self and tried to asked questions. Depends what trayvon does next.

Gblock;1476072 wrote:As everyone knows small cuts bleed a lot on head there are other pics out there that show them as very small..his nose def is messed up. But like I said previously he is not oficially involved w any block watch and was on his way somewhere and started to follow a law abiding citiczen but for this action and not letting the police get there someone lost their life...TM would have had no chance to jump him if he wasn't following him around. Very sad situation for both sides

I really agree with the last line of your post dude, I do. What a stupid situation.

Gblock;1476072 wrote:As everyone knows small cuts bleed a lot on head there are other pics out there that show them as very small..his nose def is messed up. But like I said previously he is not oficially involved w any block watch and was on his way somewhere and started to follow a law abiding citiczen but for this action and not letting the police get there someone lost their life...TM would have had no chance to jump him if he wasn't following him around. Very sad situation for both sides

In the image, the left cut can be clearly seen as several inches long. Does that fit under your definition of "small?"

Treyvon Martin had been trained in MMA fighting and was 17 years old. At 17, you're pretty well physically developed and can do plenty of damage, particularly with any kind of training.

Zimmerman said that the boy was acting suspicious, which would have given him grounds to follow Martin, regardless of whether there is an organized block watch or not.

Zimmerman has a slew of character witnesses and life experiences to demonstrate that he is not a racist.

Based on the distance walked in the time frame, it was obvious that Martin stopped and was at least as invested in the altercation as Zimmerman.

The police report said that the shooting occurred while Martin was ON TOP OF Zimmerman, assaulting him.

The more I go over this case, the less I fault Zimmerman for much.

iclfan posted a link to this, but I think it warrants an embedded video.

[video=youtube;Ebu6Yvzs4Ls][/video]

In 25 posts about this I never said he was racist.

As I go in my mind I just keep asking what a reasonable person would do. I just try to get in his mindset and try to undetstand the type of person he was and why he felt it was up to him to save the neighborhood. Running errands with a gun, not listening to the dispatcher, and getting out of car with the gun seems unreasonable. Only bad things can happen. And tm trianing in mma is getting vastly overrated stop with that. In fact gz had some himself. Either way shooting would be my last resort and while he's injured I'm not sure it was last resort time. Either way his actions while not illegal were at times unreasonable to me and contributed to a death unnecessarily at least 50%

Both Zimmermans and Martin's pasts weren't squeaky clean. To paint either as such or to make it the focal point to me is plain stupid.

Gblock;1476081 wrote:... his actions while not illegal ...

This is what matters.

While other deaths by the hundreds are carried out from illegal actions and have no to little outrage, we see people focusing on a man that did nothing illegal.

O-Trap;1476079 wrote:iclfan posted a link to this, but I think it warrants an embedded video.

[video=youtube;Ebu6Yvzs4Ls][/video]

To this day I've never seen anything by tm that isn't typical for teens today or behavior described by people on here about their behavior in their teens. He might not be the sweet angel but he certainly isn't a trained mms fighter on promethezine

ccrunner609;1476086 wrote:this

You're trying to hard dude.

Gblock;1476084 wrote:To this day I've never seen anything by tm that isn't typical for teens today or behavior described by people on here about their behavior in their teens. He might not be the sweet angel but he certainly isn't a trained mms fighter on promethezine

I think one of the funnier things (as in funny-weird, not "I'm Said Aouita and think people dying is fucking hilarious!!!!" funny) about this whole case is how it seems like the people who correctly criticize the media for portraying TM as this wonderful, innocent, angelic youth are the same people who over-exaggerate every negative aspect of him as a way to justify him being killed.

I'm not getting into criticizing how Zimmerman handled shit, as I can't say I'd have done much of anything different if I was in a situation where I had a weapon and felt I personally was in danger, but I do find it funny that we have people here acting like TM was one step away from being America's Most Wanted material. Sort of like taking the angelic Travyon image the media provides and going the full 180-degree treatment to provide an equal over-exaggeration of his flaws.

Gblock;1476084 wrote:To this day I've never seen anything by tm that isn't typical for teens today or behavior described by people on here about their behavior in their teens. He might not be the sweet angel but he certainly isn't a trained mms fighter on promethezine

He's not a professional MMA fighter, if that's what you mean. It appears, however, that he was trained in it, yes.

As for whether or not he was on it at the time, I doubt it. However, that would be pretty tidily explained by the autopsy and the purchased items.

And given that, as you suggest, this behavior is common among teens (even the burglary tools and stolen items in his locker?), perhaps it was ... as I said earlier in this thread ... his AGE that had a lot to do with Zimmerman thinking him suspicious.

O-Trap;1476098 wrote:He's not a professional MMA fighter, if that's what you mean. It appears, however, that he was trained in it, yes.

As for whether or not he was on it at the time, I doubt it. However, that would be pretty tidily explained by the autopsy and the purchased items.

And given that, as you suggest, this behavior is common among teens (even the burglary tools and stolen items in his locker?), perhaps it was ... as I said earlier in this thread ... his AGE that had a lot to do with Zimmerman thinking him suspicious.

Meh either way its irrelevant what he bought at store or anything he did in his past..zimmerman had no knowledge of any of it. He judged him by appearance alone

Gblock;1476100 wrote:Meh either way its irrelevant what he bought at store or anything he did in his past..zimmerman had no knowledge of any of it. He judged him by appearance alone

He judged him by his mere presence combined with recent criminal activity in the neighborhood. Simply being there and not being known was enough. Nothing else was needed to have interest in Mr. Martin's presence.

And its more common to use sprite and jolly ranchers....clear liquid is 100% more popular than that watermelon junk to mix lean. And skittles dissolve to fast. Most likely a coincidence he bought those items not that it matters

Gblock;1476100 wrote:Meh either way its irrelevant what he bought at store or anything he did in his past..zimmerman had no knowledge of any of it. He judged him by appearance alone

It's not irrelevant. It might have been unknown to Zimmerman at the time, but subsequent investigation can certainly take it into account (ie. if he IS into MMA training, perhaps the ass-kicking he was delivering on Zimmerman is plausible ... even likely).

As for the contents of his purchase, again, Zimmerman probably didn't know, but in subsequent investigation, it could indeed be relevant to his reaction.

Finally, we don't know that Zimmerman judged him based on appearance alone. He very well could have been judging him based on his behavior, which is what he claims, and against which zero evidence has been raised. As such, the logical answer, particularly coupled with the circumstance involving Zimmerman and the homeless guy, was that it was probably more than his appearance.

But as for what that behavior may have been ... we don't know.

Also, while lean is normally made with Sprite or Mt. Dew and Jolly Ranchers, it's pretty commonly known that a lot of people have their own "recipe" for it. It's not unlike Appalachians and moonshine, honestly. Everyone has their own twist on it, so it's hardly unlikely (again, given his liver in the autopsy AND his asking about it online) that he was making his own with those ingredients.

Trueblue23;1476060 wrote:Under Florida law Trayvon Martin was not a kid.

And if Zimmerman was really going to just murder him in cold blood, he would've done it before he caught a beat down.

Zimmerman set up the murder so that he would get acquitted.

Heretic;1476090 wrote:I think one of the funnier things (as in funny-weird, not "I'm Said Aouita and think people dying is ****ing hilarious!!!!" funny) about this whole case is how it seems like the people who correctly criticize the media for portraying TM as this wonderful, innocent, angelic youth are the same people who over-exaggerate every negative aspect of him as a way to justify him being killed.

I'm not getting into criticizing how Zimmerman handled ****, as I can't say I'd have done much of anything different if I was in a situation where I had a weapon and felt I personally was in danger, but I do find it funny that we have people here acting like TM was one step away from being America's Most Wanted material. Sort of like taking the angelic Travyon image the media provides and going the full 180-degree treatment to provide an equal over-exaggeration of his flaws.

It literally cracks me up how people on here do that.

like_that;1475254 wrote:Why the fuck is Obama making any further statements on this case? The outcome would be different if he was white? Just STFU.

I must have missed how Obama commented on the Antonio West trial.

Gblock;1476081 wrote:
Running errands with a gun...and getting out of car with the gun seems unreasonable.

Millions of people do this every single day...LEGALLY.

Since Trayvon was calling Zimmerman a "creepy as cracker" could he have been committing a hate crime by bashing in the head of zimmerman? I know we want to peg zimmerman know for a hate crime.. with the history of Hispanic versus Black hatred... oh wait thats not a thing. Shit.

rydawg5;1476370 wrote:Since Trayvon was calling Zimmerman a "creepy as cracker" could he have been committing a hate crime by bashing in the head of zimmerman? I know we want to peg zimmerman know for a hate crime.. with the history of Hispanic versus Black hatred... oh wait thats not a thing. ****.

Add gay-bashing = double-hate crime.

I wish more people were brave enough to condemn TM response and point out that he'd be alive if he'd just gone home instead of circling back to, as Jeantel said, "beat his ass".

Especially given so many people "outraged" over the verdict appear to think TM was justified in assaulting Zimmerman. So if it's ok to beat someone you think is racist, then aren't you begging me to profile you in the interest of my own safety (lest you think I'm racist)?

Rachel Jeantel said "Cracka" isn't a racist term. It may not be as offensive as the N word but it's totally a racial term. C'mon man!

Firad;1476382 wrote:Rachel Jeantel said "Cracka" isn't a racist term. It may not be as offensive as the N word but it's totally a racial term. C'mon man!

Note: Cracka ... means cop or someone like a cop or police ...So TM attached a Acting Neighborhood Watch personal which is a crime, knowing he was Nieghborhood Watch Guard

Nigga ... is a man Any type of man white, black, latino does matter ... Nigga is a man

According to Jeantel todays Black Ebonics

Please also note this has not been confirmed by anyone of Black individual of being a truthful definition.

ccrunner609;1476600 wrote:

1.	Cracker Share on twitter Share on facebook Share on more	11469 up, 3365 down
	Originally the white slave driver because he would "crack" the whip, hence the noun cracker. Yo homey pick the cotton faster cuz here comes ole Mr.Cracker with his whip!

By adding "a" to the end of a word or words ending in “er” according to today Black Ebonics changes meaning of the word.

Cracka or Nigga this has not been confirmed by the OC member that are Black or anyone ... of Black Community Leaders like Holder, Obama, Sharpton, JJ, Rev White

Belly35;1476443 wrote:Note: Cracka ... means cop or someone like a cop or police ...So TM attached a Acting Neighborhood Watch personal which is a crime, knowing he was Nieghborhood Watch Guard

Nigga ... is a man Any type of man white, black, latino does matter ... Nigga is a man

According to Jeantel todays Black Ebonics

Please also note this has not been confirmed by anyone of Black individual of being a truthful definition.

A friend of mine represents the insurance company for the housing association and they deny any connection to gz he was not sanctioned by anyone to watch the neighborhood. Further real neighborhood watch programs ban the use of guns just for this reason. So fail on both parts of that