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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 25, 2013 8:41pm
Glenn Greenwald shares his opinions on this man.
"Compare this aggressive prosecution of Manning to the Obama administration's vigorous efforts to shield Bush-era war crimes and massive Wall Street fraud from all forms of legal accountability. Not a single perpetrator of those genuine crimes has faced court under Obama, a comparison that reflects the priorities and values of US justice"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/30/bradley-manning-liberty-lost-america
"Compare this aggressive prosecution of Manning to the Obama administration's vigorous efforts to shield Bush-era war crimes and massive Wall Street fraud from all forms of legal accountability. Not a single perpetrator of those genuine crimes has faced court under Obama, a comparison that reflects the priorities and values of US justice"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/30/bradley-manning-liberty-lost-america
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 25, 2013 8:45pm
Manning broke the law. He will be fortunate to only get life in solitary.
You want to call for others to stand trial...so be it. Manning is guilty and I have no sympathy for him.
You want to call for others to stand trial...so be it. Manning is guilty and I have no sympathy for him.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 25, 2013 8:52pm
He released classified information.
Sorry, he broke the law.
Yes, there is overclassification, but he broke the law.
I think there is too much stuff classified, but he released that information knowing what he did was wrong.
Lock him up, but not for life.
Sorry, he broke the law.
Yes, there is overclassification, but he broke the law.
I think there is too much stuff classified, but he released that information knowing what he did was wrong.
Lock him up, but not for life.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Feb 26, 2013 4:43am
Manning broke the law and deserves jail time.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 26, 2013 9:16am
Malum Prohibitum
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 26, 2013 9:22am
Yes, passing state secrets is only illegal by statute. How ridiculous are you?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:22am
...and yet still the law.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 9:27am
It's a weird world we live in when exposing war crimes is worse than the actual war crimes themselves. Also, when will he be standing trial? It's been over 1000 days and nothing.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 9:28am
Everything Hitler did was legal, right?Con_Alma;1396225 wrote:...and yet still the law.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:28am
Trial is expected to be in June.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:29am
I highly doubt it. Should Hitler have been let go if captured?justincredible;1396230 wrote:Everything Hitler did was legal, right?
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 26, 2013 9:35am
I think it's fair to say reasonable minds could disagree about whether or not what he did was wrong in and of itself.queencitybuckeye;1396224 wrote:Yes, passing state secrets is only illegal by statute. How ridiculous are you?
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Feb 26, 2013 9:35am
Manning should be an example for all Americans, and the only trials we should see are for Bush, Rumsfeld, Obama, Hillary, and company.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 26, 2013 9:37am
Which is not the same statement as your previous post.BoatShoes;1396239 wrote:I think it's fair to say reasonable minds could disagree about whether or not what he did was wrong in and of itself.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 9:38am
As Chancellor did Hitler not make the laws?Con_Alma;1396233 wrote:I highly doubt it. Should Hitler have been let go if captured?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 9:39am
3 and a half years later. Sounds reasonable.Con_Alma;1396231 wrote:Trial is expected to be in June.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:44am
I don't know. Are you suggesting he may have not broken any laws?justincredible;1396245 wrote:As Chancellor did Hitler not make the laws?
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Feb 26, 2013 9:46am
How could he break the laws if he made them?Con_Alma;1396251 wrote:I don't know. Are you suggesting he may have not broken any laws?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:48am
He was arraigned February of 2012.justincredible;1396247 wrote:3 and a half years later. Sounds reasonable.
He was initially held in July of 2012 through April of 2011 under the Prevention of Injury status.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 9:48am
Yes, that is what I am suggesting.Con_Alma;1396251 wrote:I don't know. Are you suggesting he may have not broken any laws?
My point being just because something is lawful doesn't mean it's right, and vice versa.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 26, 2013 9:48am
Well, you often complain about how long my posts are and since several other posters simply wrote "He broke the law therefore he deservers jail" I could've gone into a long diatribe about how we might think of other instances when people broke the law and yet we didn't find them to be deserving of jail time or moral condemnation, etc.queencitybuckeye;1396242 wrote:Which is not the same statement as your previous post.
Instead, I simply wrote the phrase that illustrates that some actions might be wrong simply because they're prohibited and not because they're wrong in and of themselves. And, as it happens, it seems that's how a lot of Bradley Manning supporters feel about this situation.
But then, you reply to my post and say "how unreasonable are you" an attack on me which is par for the course as it pertains to our conversations on this forum.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:51am
Reasonable is subjective. Some of the delays are due to defense requests while others are based on the 100s of thousands of cables that will be potentially referred to in the court marital.justincredible;1396247 wrote:3 and a half years later. Sounds reasonable.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 9:52am
No one has argues the morailty of law, certainly not I.justincredible;1396260 wrote:Yes, that is what I am suggesting.
My point being just because something is lawful doesn't mean it's right, and vice versa.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Feb 26, 2013 10:00am
Con_Alma;1396266 wrote:No one has argues the morailty of law, certainly not I.
Oh.Con_Alma;1396225 wrote:...and yet still the law.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 26, 2013 10:02am
Exactly. I pointed out the law being in place as opposed to the right and wrongs being focused on by those opposed to the military court's action.justincredible;1396280 wrote:Oh.