
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 10, 2013 8:52pm
Indiana, Florida, Michigan, Kansas X2, Arizona all fall this week.
Mine...
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Duke
4. Michigan
5. Florida
6. Gonzaga
7. Syracuse
8. Mich St
9. Arizona
10. Butler
Mine...
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Duke
4. Michigan
5. Florida
6. Gonzaga
7. Syracuse
8. Mich St
9. Arizona
10. Butler

wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 10, 2013 8:57pm
ccrunner609;1386515 wrote:Miami is good but...............
But what?

Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 10, 2013 8:58pm
ccrunner609;1386515 wrote:Miami is good but...............
I know but I can't put Duke above them having similar records and them beating Duke by 67 points.....I also have trouble with #1 losing to an unranked team via the worst execution ever on a final play.
Do your own man! Take a minute.

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:01pm
More on where I think they are, as opposed to where they should be ranked...
Indiana
Miami (Fl)
Florida
Michigan
Duke
Michigan St.
Gonzaga
Kansas St.
Syracuse
Ohio St.
Indiana
Miami (Fl)
Florida
Michigan
Duke
Michigan St.
Gonzaga
Kansas St.
Syracuse
Ohio St.

Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 10, 2013 9:05pm
Laley23;1386521 wrote:More on where I think they are, as opposed to where they should be ranked...
Indiana
Miami (Fl)
Florida
Michigan
Duke
Michigan St.
Gonzaga
Kansas St.
Ohio St.
Arizona
Say that again please....I'm reading it both ways. This is how you think the rankings will be or how you'd rank them this week?

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:12pm
How I think the teams are playing and how good they actually are. Not how their resume says they should be ranked or how I think they will be tomorrow. In other words, OSU, imo is playing like a top 10 team. But their resume says top 15.Ironman92;1386523 wrote:Say that again please....I'm reading it both ways. This is how you think the rankings will be or how you'd rank them this week?
Also, lulz at me for forgetting Syracuse.

reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 10, 2013 9:18pm
How I think the rankings should play out Monday...
1. Miami
Definitely playing like the best team in the country right now.
Then Duke, Florida, Indiana, Syracuse and Michigan.
Duke is not really the second best team without Ryan Kelly, but the Blue Devils will still be in that vicinity. With Kelly back -- reports are that he might be back in the next week or two -- and Duke in full form, I think Duke has a claim for being the top team in the country, as do the others teams mentioned above. There is no clear cut team, though. Not at all.
1. Miami
Definitely playing like the best team in the country right now.
Then Duke, Florida, Indiana, Syracuse and Michigan.
Duke is not really the second best team without Ryan Kelly, but the Blue Devils will still be in that vicinity. With Kelly back -- reports are that he might be back in the next week or two -- and Duke in full form, I think Duke has a claim for being the top team in the country, as do the others teams mentioned above. There is no clear cut team, though. Not at all.

Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 10, 2013 9:23pm
Laley23;1386526 wrote:How I think the teams are playing and how good they actually are. Not how their resume says they should be ranked or how I think they will be tomorrow. In other words, OSU, imo is playing like a top 10 team. But their resume says top 15.
Also, lulz at me for forgetting Syracuse.
Got it!

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 10, 2013 9:23pm
Hard to not put Miami at #1. Indiana will be #2, Duke #3. Michigan #4. Florida #5.

SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 10, 2013 9:28pm
K-State and OSU in over Kansas, who has beaten both of those teams on the road?Laley23;1386521 wrote:More on where I think they are, as opposed to where they should be ranked...
Indiana
Miami (Fl)
Florida
Michigan
Duke
Michigan St.
Gonzaga
Kansas St.
Syracuse
Ohio St.
LOL
I realize KU is struggling right now, but they were just on an 18 game win streak; they're still a top 10 team.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 10, 2013 9:33pm
SportsAndLady;1386535 wrote:K-State and OSU in over Kansas, who has beaten both of those teams on the road?
LOL
I realize KU is struggling right now, but they were just on an 18 game win streak; they're still a top 10 team.
Honestly I would have them outside the top ten right now until they can get things straightened out. TCU is such a terrible loss it's hard for me to put them in the top 10 right now.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 10, 2013 9:36pm
Re: Miami
I have trouble not remembering losses to Florida Golf Coast and Indiana State.
I have trouble not remembering losses to Florida Golf Coast and Indiana State.

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:40pm
Indiana St. isnt a bad loss, they should probably be ranked this week. They also havent lost with a full team. Tough to win when your best players are out.WebFire;1386541 wrote:Re: Miami
I have trouble not remembering losses to Florida Golf Coast and Indiana State.

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:41pm
I will never rank a team who has 3 straight losses in the top 10. Sorry. You mustve missed where I said I was ranking off of CURRENT looks and how I think they are currently playing. Not overall resume.SportsAndLady;1386535 wrote:K-State and OSU in over Kansas, who has beaten both of those teams on the road?
LOL
I realize KU is struggling right now, but they were just on an 18 game win streak; they're still a top 10 team.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 10, 2013 9:44pm
IDK, for a supposed #1 team, a loss to an unranked (whether they should be or not) is a bad loss. And, their JV team should be able to beat FGC. I don't know much about the best players being out though, to be honest.Laley23;1386543 wrote:Indiana St. isnt a bad loss, they should probably be ranked this week. They also havent lost with a full team. Tough to win when your best players are out.
And, like you were saying, they may be playing top 5 quality bball, but I don't know about top 5 ranking with the resume.

reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 10, 2013 9:45pm
Re: Miami's losses.
Indiana State is actually a decently competitive team, with wins over three ranked teams (Wichita State, Creighton and Miami) and a win over Ole Miss. Additionally, Indiana State has lost in 2OT to now #15 New Mexico and by seven to then #18 San Diego State. That's pretty legit against a very tough schedule for a mid-major. And Reggie Johnson sat this game out with an injury.
And Florida Gulf Coast is not a team to take lightly, having played Duke even at the half in Cameron Indoor and sitting in first in the Atlantic Sun.
Indiana State is actually a decently competitive team, with wins over three ranked teams (Wichita State, Creighton and Miami) and a win over Ole Miss. Additionally, Indiana State has lost in 2OT to now #15 New Mexico and by seven to then #18 San Diego State. That's pretty legit against a very tough schedule for a mid-major. And Reggie Johnson sat this game out with an injury.
And Florida Gulf Coast is not a team to take lightly, having played Duke even at the half in Cameron Indoor and sitting in first in the Atlantic Sun.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 10, 2013 9:45pm
Laley23;1386545 wrote:I will never rank a team who has 3 straight losses in the top 10. Sorry. You mustve missed where I said I was ranking off of CURRENT looks and how I think they are currently playing. Not overall resume.
Especially to 3 unranked teams

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:47pm
Exactly.Crimson streak;1386551 wrote:Especially to 3 unranked teams

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:49pm
I tend to agree, for the most part. Not about INST, they could beat any top 10 team if they were missing a top 2 player. Duran Scott I think missed those games, and Reggie Johnson missed their other loss. But, without looking, I dont remember exactly which games those players missed. But I know they were missing in some combination in all of them.WebFire;1386548 wrote:IDK, for a supposed #1 team, a loss to an unranked (whether they should be or not) is a bad loss. And, their JV team should be able to beat FGC. I don't know much about the best players being out though, to be honest.
And, like you were saying, they may be playing top 5 quality bball, but I don't know about top 5 ranking with the resume.

SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 10, 2013 9:50pm
If you're ranking off CURRENT looks, why do you have Indiana #1 when they just lost 5 days ago to an unranked team?Laley23;1386545 wrote:I will never rank a team who has 3 straight losses in the top 10. Sorry. You mustve missed where I said I was ranking off of CURRENT looks and how I think they are currently playing. Not overall resume.

reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 10, 2013 9:51pm
Durand Scott missed the Florida Gulf Coast game and Reggie Johnson missed Miami's losses to Indiana State and Arizona.

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 9:53pm
They just played their best game of the year on the road versus a (what will be) top 15 team and their loss was not because they were beaten, but collapsed to a (what will be) top 25 team on the raod in a rivalry game. They have more top 25 wins than anyone else, and 3 top 10 wins. Every other team in the top 5 lost except Duke, who looked abysmal versus BC tonight, and overall since Kelly went down I dont think they are better than where I have them.SportsAndLady;1386555 wrote:If you're ranking off CURRENT looks, why do you have Indiana #1 when they just lost 5 days ago to an unranked team?

SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 10, 2013 9:58pm
Bolded is irrelevant...this is about the CURRENT state.Laley23;1386559 wrote:They just played their best game of the year on the road versus a (what will be) top 15 team and their loss was not because they were beaten, but collapsed to a (what will be) top 25 team on the raod in a rivalry game. They have more top 25 wins than anyone else, and 3 top 10 wins. Every other team in the top 5 lost except Duke, who looked abysmal versus BC tonight, and overall since Kelly went down I dont think they are better than where I have them.
You take out KU, a clear top 10 team, because they have lost twice this week to an unranked team. Yet put Indiana #1 despite one loss to an unranked team this week.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 10, 2013 10:04pm
This.Crimson streak;1386537 wrote:Honestly I would have them outside the top ten right now until they can get things straightened out. TCU is such a terrible loss it's hard for me to put them in the top 10 right now.

Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2013 10:07pm
Wrong. The top 10 wins, which is what I was getting at (with the top 25 wins comment) is very current. They happened within the last 5 games...all 3 of them. OSU, MSU and Michigan.SportsAndLady;1386561 wrote:Bolded is irrelevant...this is about the CURRENT state.
You take out KU, a clear top 10 team, because they have lost twice this week to an unranked team. Yet put Indiana #1 despite one loss to an unranked team this week.
Duke...how is an important player being out not relevant?? That makes no sense. Im saying if Kelly is healthy they are probably my #1 team. But without him, they are closer to #5 imo.
We will see where Kansas is ranked tomorrow. I bet not Top 10. And because its the only 2 that I have readily available without searching lol, Seth Davis has Kansas 23rd (ridiculous, I admit) and CBS Sports (Goodman et all) have Kansas 10. Both have IU #1. Davis does his more by current thoughts and CBS does their joint rankings by resume, if I remember correctly.