Texas kids forced to wear RFID chips to track their location in school.

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Jan 9, 2013 3:42 PM
There is the idea that your movements in a public space are not private as they are visible to everyone so therefore this is perfectly alright.

I think our understanding of privacy and 4th amendment principles are going to undergo a lot of challenges as technology for surveillance continues to become cheaper and more prevalent.
Jan 9, 2013 3:42pm
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Jan 9, 2013 3:47 PM
Fly4Fun;1361983 wrote:There is the idea that your movements in a public space are not private as they are visible to everyone so therefore this is perfectly alright.
I can see how that would apply to having cameras in the halls, but wearing chips takes a gigantic leap in logic from that IMHO.
Jan 9, 2013 3:47pm
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Jan 9, 2013 3:50 PM
not sure how I feel about it. I know at my old school, employees were required to carry their ID card that also had a tracking chip at all times during their time on campus
Jan 9, 2013 3:50pm
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Jan 9, 2013 3:55 PM
Pick6;1361999 wrote:not sure how I feel about it. I know at my old school, employees were required to carry their ID card that also had a tracking chip at all times during their time on campus
Employees are a little different than a student though. You have a choice to be an employee. You don't have a choice of being a student. It is required that you attend school. Yes, I realize your parents can put you in a different school, etc, but sometimes the circumstances don't allow that.
Jan 9, 2013 3:55pm
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Jan 9, 2013 3:57 PM
GoChiefs;1362010 wrote:Employees are a little different than a student though. You have a choice to be an employee. You don't have a choice of being a student. It is required that you attend school. Yes, I realize your parents can put you in a different school, etc, but sometimes the circumstances don't allow that.
cant disagree with that.
Jan 9, 2013 3:57pm
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Jan 9, 2013 4:38 PM
Just bringing this up...but how is this any different than the low tech version of writing kids names down when they arrive at homeroom/library/gym/etc.,? I mean, I understand if this was real time like GPS. But this is pretty much like taking attendance via electronics.

How else are the schools supposed to track to see if students are where they are supposed to be?
Jan 9, 2013 4:38pm
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Jan 9, 2013 4:39 PM
raiderbuck;1362067 wrote:Just bringing this up...but how is this any different than the low tech version of writing kids names down when they arrive at homeroom/library/gym/etc.,? I mean, I understand if this was real time like GPS. But this is pretty much like taking attendance via electronics.

How else are the schools supposed to track to see if students are where they are supposed to be?
Good point as well. Students are already tracked every 45-50 minutes.
Jan 9, 2013 4:39pm
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Jan 9, 2013 4:47 PM
FatHobbit;1361992 wrote:I can see how that would apply to having cameras in the halls, but wearing chips takes a gigantic leap in logic from that IMHO.
Oh, I'm not saying this is a good decision. I'm just saying I can see the logic considering the way the case law has developed over time... and even if we aren't there yet, this is a possibility where we will end up unless a drastic overhaul on the reasoning regarding privacy and 4th amendment rights go.
Jan 9, 2013 4:47pm
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Jan 9, 2013 4:53 PM
Pick6;1362069 wrote:Good point as well. Students are already tracked every 45-50 minutes.
edit: actually every minute. Most teachers/schools require students to sign out while leaving class for the restroom or whatever it may be.
Jan 9, 2013 4:53pm
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Jan 9, 2013 5:15 PM
I wouldn't of had a problem with this while I was in HS. Don't really care much either way though.
Jan 9, 2013 5:15pm
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Jan 9, 2013 5:37 PM
I read somewhere else that the girl initially agreed to wear it and then later refused, thus, she got what she deserved in court. The purpose of the court case wasn't to determine the morality of it, but to enforce the rule.

Still, it sounds like they're being drama queens about it.
The ruling gave Hernandez and her father, an outspoken opponent of the use of RFID technology, until the start of the spring semester later this month to decide whether to accept district policy and remain at the magnet school or return to her home campus, where RFID chips are not required.
then go the fuck back to the original school.

Kids don't have rights in school. They can search your locker for no reason, they can detain you for no reason. This really isn't anything new.
Jan 9, 2013 5:37pm
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Jan 9, 2013 5:47 PM
Punk kids should have been in class and not loitering in the hallways. The school is right.

If you don't like it go to a private school.
Jan 9, 2013 5:47pm
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Jan 9, 2013 7:03 PM
^^^^^ This was a magnet school, the public school she could return to did not require them. My post was too said ouita
Jan 9, 2013 7:03pm
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Jan 9, 2013 8:07 PM
So far behind the rest of the world in both math and science and we're going to open the door for Big Brother, invite him in, ask him to have a seat and give 'em a sammich...

fuckin' sweet
Jan 9, 2013 8:07pm
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Jan 9, 2013 10:35 PM
I would love to have a hall pass with a tracker in it. I can't follow students going to the restroom and do my job in the classroom all at once. A little help like that would be nice.
Jan 9, 2013 10:35pm
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Jan 10, 2013 1:17 AM
This will totally make us better in STEM categories. :rolleyes:

I mean, I don't think this is something that is terribly offensive, but it's also not going to be effective for really anything. Won't make kids safer, won't stop kids from skipping class, etc. I'd prefer Texas focus on not putting out absolute shit for textbooks once in a while considering many states base them off of Texas'.
Jan 10, 2013 1:17am
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Jan 10, 2013 8:07 AM
I Wear Pants;1362434 wrote: I'd prefer Texas focus on not putting out absolute shit for textbooks

Don't mess with Texas
Jan 10, 2013 8:07am
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Jan 10, 2013 9:02 AM
ytownfootball;1362159 wrote:So far behind the rest of the world in both math and science and we're going to open the door for Big Brother, invite him in, ask him to have a seat and give 'em a sammich...

fuckin' sweet
LOL. Not quite big brother. We're not necessarily letting the Govt. track our kids (which they do through scores anyway). We're letting our building administration track them.
Jan 10, 2013 9:02am
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Jan 10, 2013 9:04 AM
I honestly see no problem with this, if it is cost efficient. With all of the shit going down in schools today, it's just an easier way to track kids. Give them a bracelet (like the one below, only more cost efficient), and have them put it on in the morning, and take it off at the end of the day, giving it to a home-room teacher. This is no different than school uniforms, in my opinion. Just make a bracelet a part of the uniform.

Jan 10, 2013 9:04am
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Jan 10, 2013 9:43 AM
When I was in school, we had to carry around these little planners with us at all times. We had I.D. badges as well. The planners had hall passes in the back, so we had to have a teacher sign us in/out whenever we had to use the bathroom. Your school I.D. had to be with you at all times during the day. Attendance was taken during the first 5 minutes of every period as well.

When I was a substitute teacher, we could use a computer system to send our attendance recordings for the day. The kids no longer used planners, but they had a variation of the hall pass system that I had in school. Security cameras monitored entrances and exits, and the doors to the high school were locked from the outside (except the main entrance) during school hours. This was done to prevent kids from leaving during the day. Once you stepped outside, you had to come through the main entrance to re-enter the school.

This system in Texas doesn't sound too far off from that. It's not a matter of tracking the wherabouts of students, it's a matter of making sure kids are accounted for when the district needs to (ie...you better be in class when the bell rings). Does it even give real time data?
Jan 10, 2013 9:43am
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Jan 10, 2013 10:09 AM
Should a kid be unsupervised in the hallway and get hurt, watch the parents sue. If you empower someone else to be responsible for your minor I wouldn't complain too much about the means they use to ensure their safety.
Jan 10, 2013 10:09am
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Jan 10, 2013 6:31 PM
redstreak one;1362138 wrote:^^^^^ This was a magnet school, the public school she could return to did not require them. My post was too said ouita
Ok, whatever. I saw in the article "one of the largest school districts in Texas" and immediately thought public. What difference does it make if magnet or public school?
Jan 10, 2013 6:31pm
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Jan 10, 2013 8:02 PM
and people honestly think these kids are going to carry these IDs or bracelets around all day? What are you going to do, put ankle monitors on them each morning? How are you going to make them carry them? Total waste of time and money. I'd just go to school and put it in my locker and forget about it.
Jan 10, 2013 8:02pm
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Jan 10, 2013 9:28 PM
tk421;1363315 wrote:and people honestly think these kids are going to carry these IDs or bracelets around all day?
most schools already issue ID's. it would be nothing to get an ID with the RFID chip inside. people would just toss them in their wallets and mosey around with them all day.
Jan 10, 2013 9:28pm