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Con_Alma

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Dec 15, 2012 1:04 PM
isadore;1343763 wrote:,,, Now lets do it with another blight on our society, guns.
That will be decided by the people collectively...over time.
Dec 15, 2012 1:04pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:19 PM
Con_Alma;1343766 wrote:That will be decided by the people collectively...over time.
the will of the people in our representative democracy.
Dec 15, 2012 1:19pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:21 PM
isadore;1343782 wrote:the will of the people in our representative democracy.
I think that's what I said, yes.
Dec 15, 2012 1:21pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:26 PM
Also worth noting...these other wealthy countries who've done a good job of curbing gun violence are more secular than the United States and are exposed to just as much of the supposedly culturally degrading media flowing out of the United States as we are!
Dec 15, 2012 1:26pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:29 PM
BoatShoes;1343788 wrote:Also worth noting...these other wealthy countries who've done a good job of curbing gun violence are more secular than the United States and are exposed to just as much of the supposedly culturally degrading media flowing out of the United States as we are!
...yet are void of the historical influence on the legislative positions taken and lived by our nation for hundreds of years.

It's the combination of all of the many things noted that lend to the uniquely American culture we have.
Dec 15, 2012 1:29pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:31 PM
Con_Alma;1343748 wrote:We do not when considering the influence of historical significance of the role guns have played in the lives of the people for centuries and how that has permeated the many different capital opportunities that exist.
Fire arms share similar historical significance in Australia where they were used in the open ranges of country to defend against the Aborigines, hunting and game, etc. A lot like their historical significance in traditional western America. Australia appropriately evolved from their tradition and increased gun regulation in the wake of persistent mass murders at the hands of guns in 1996. They have had zero since and their country and their people are undoubtedly better for it and still unbelievably and significantly free.
Dec 15, 2012 1:31pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:35 PM
BoatShoes;1343799 wrote:Fire arms share similar historical significance in Australia where they were used in the open ranges of country to defend against the Aborigines, hunting and game, etc. A lot like their historical significance in traditional western America. Australia appropriately evolved from their tradition and increased gun regulation in the wake of persistent mass murders at the hands of guns in 1996. They have had zero since and their country and their people are undoubtedly better for it and still unbelievably and significantly free.
Australia is very different when considering the magnitude of capitalistic success and the military might of the U.S. when you combine all of the factors of that lending to the culture that is distinctly U.S. there is little that can be used as an example of what the people might want and choose to do effectively.

In the end it doesn't matter what others have done nor chosen to do . The people will ultimately decide what we want and do.
Dec 15, 2012 1:35pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:37 PM
as soon as they start putting more value on their children's lives rather than the fetishtic desire for guns of fanatical minority.
Dec 15, 2012 1:37pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:39 PM
isadore;1343803 wrote:as soon as they start putting more value on their children's lives rather than the fetishtic desire for guns of fanatical minority.
That may very well be the tipping point. It's not, however, today.
Dec 15, 2012 1:39pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:40 PM
Con_Alma;1343784 wrote:I think that's what I said, yes.
not quite
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Dec 15, 2012 1:43 PM
it is a true shame that 20 childrens lives have been sacrificed because of the selfish desire of the wayne lapierre, nra and their acolytes in this country and at this site.
Dec 15, 2012 1:43pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:26 PM
isadore;1343808 wrote:it is a true shame that 20 childrens lives have been sacrificed because of the selfish desire of the wayne lapierre, nra and their acolytes in this country and at this site.

Its a shame that you want to take away my right to protect myself in the event of one of these madmen trying to enter my home.
Dec 15, 2012 2:26pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:30 PM
GoChiefs;1343835 wrote:Its a shame that you want to take away my right to protect myself in the event of one of these madmen trying to enter my home.
gosh if he did not have a gun, even you might be able to handle him or at least call the police.
Dec 15, 2012 2:30pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:32 PM
isadore;1343838 wrote:gosh if he did not have a gun, even you might be able to handle him or at least call the police.

Gosh, you're an idiot if you think gun laws are going to keep guns away from criminals.
Dec 15, 2012 2:32pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:34 PM
GoChiefs;1343839 wrote:Gosh, you're an idiot if you think gun laws are going to keep guns away from criminals.
in many other democratic societies they seem to do a pretty good job of it.
Dec 15, 2012 2:34pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:37 PM
isadore;1343841 wrote:in many other democratic societies they seem to do a pretty good job of it.

And in many other democratic societies, they don't.
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Dec 15, 2012 2:40 PM
GoChiefs;1343842 wrote:And in many other democratic societies, they don't.
so then it would be a good idea for us to follow the example of those who do.
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Dec 15, 2012 2:49 PM
isadore;1343843 wrote:so then it would be a good idea for us to follow the example of those who do.

It would be a good idea to wake up and realize that no matter what you do, guns aren't going anywhere, and the only ones effected by gun control laws are law abiding citizens, not the criminals that are causing the problems. That idea obviously goes over your head.
Dec 15, 2012 2:49pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:55 PM
GoChiefs;1343847 wrote:It would be a good idea to wake up and realize that no matter what you do, guns aren't going anywhere, and the only ones effected by gun control laws are law abiding citizens, not the criminals that are causing the problems. That idea obviously goes over your head.
you can mouth that cliche again and again, it does not make it true. the truth is other democratic societies are able too restrict guns and limit gun deaths.
Dec 15, 2012 2:55pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:59 PM
isadore;1343851 wrote:you can mouth that cliche again and again, it does not make it true. the truth is other democratic societies are able too restrict guns and limit gun deaths.

Common sense isn't cliche.

What is cliche is that you think gun controls work. For every instance you show that they do, I can give you two that show they don't.
Dec 15, 2012 2:59pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:07 PM
GoChiefs;1343839 wrote:Gosh, you're an idiot if you think gun laws are going to keep guns away from criminals.
They keep guns out of the hands of criminals in the United Kingdom....a country very similar to us but more secular, more accommodating of gays, atheism, decadence, narcissism, instant gratification, non-traditional families and welfarism than the United States.

Yet, more people are killed in America by a gun every day than in a year in the UK.
Dec 15, 2012 3:07pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:09 PM
GoChiefs;1343853 wrote:Common sense isn't cliche.

What is cliche is that you think gun controls work. For every instance you show that they do, I can give you two that show they don't.
Please proceed.

Find me a counter-example that is comparable to this great success.

Australia suffered 13 gun massacres in 18 years and then banned semi-automatic weapons in 1996 and have had zero since.

Where in the industrialized world has a gun control law lead to an increase in gun massacres because only criminals have guns???
Dec 15, 2012 3:09pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:10 PM
GoChiefs;1343847 wrote:It would be a good idea to wake up and realize that no matter what you do, guns aren't going anywhere, and the only ones effected by gun control laws are law abiding citizens, not the criminals that are causing the problems. That idea obviously goes over your head.
I'm inclined to believe that because it sounds intuitive but that hasn't been born out by real world experience.
Dec 15, 2012 3:10pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:11 PM
GoChiefs;1343853 wrote:Common sense isn't cliche.

What is cliche is that you think gun controls work. For every instance you show that they do, I can give you two that show they don't.
gosh a ruddies as you just admitted some work and those of course would be possible ones for us to follow.
Dec 15, 2012 3:11pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:20 PM
Arguably some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, yet, still had the Cumbria shootings.

Thats all I need to say. Proves my point exactly. If they want the guns, they will get them.
Dec 15, 2012 3:20pm