Elementary School Children Killed By Gunman in Connecticut

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Dec 16, 2012 12:52 PM
Did I read it right that the brother who was first said to be the shooter hasn't talked to Adam in 2 years?
Dec 16, 2012 12:52pm
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Dec 16, 2012 12:54 PM
Midstate01;1344333 wrote:Did I read it right that the brother who was first said to be the shooter hasn't talked to Adam in 2 years?
i heard the same, not sure if correct or not, though.
Dec 16, 2012 12:54pm
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Dec 16, 2012 12:59 PM
isadore;1344331 wrote:"Adam Lanza took three weapons with him to the school – two pistols, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a Bushmaster .223-caliber semi-automatic assault-style rifle – all of which were registered to Nancy Lanza." illegal?
and mom
"avid gun enthusiast who liked to take her sons to the shooting range to practice their marksmanship, a friend tells NBC News." the family that shots together

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15935397-mom-of-suspected-school-shooter-first-to-die-was-avid-gun-enthusiast-friend-says?lite
hopefully our first African American President will be able to do something about these gun atrocities in his second term despite the opposition of gun nuts and racists.
If it's registered, then she has had it in the state of Connecticut for 18 years. You cannot transfer them or purchase them after October 1 1993, and you had to have applied for a permit before July 1 1994. So yes, his possession of the AR15 was a felony. That didn't stop him did it?

Either that, or it wasn't even an AR15 and the media is just completely fucking this up.
Dec 16, 2012 12:59pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:09 PM
Tigerfan00;1344320 wrote:Is it just me or is gut the dumbest poster on this site?
It would be just you who must be dumber than shit to not even understand the point being made. A guy is going to walk around the school (because it's locked down) with his assault rifle...and no one is going to see him...then shoot out a window....and no one is going to notice...crawl thru it with his assault rifle....while no one notices....and then lock-n-load and start firing on the kids and teacher having class.

Heck, maybe they'll even help him crawl thru the window to save time. LMFAO and you think I'm the dumb one. That's clearly your problem. Cracks me up when absolute morons try to call someone stupid. Really can't believe I had to spell that out, but I guess some people just aren't real bright.

And, by the way, controlling access doesn't necessarily just mean the front door. Think prison set-up if you want to be completely secure.
Dec 16, 2012 1:09pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:21 PM
gut;1344231 wrote:It would be pretty damn tough to shoot out a window, and then crawl thru it, and then lay down fire
I don't remember a single school I've been to that didn't have glass doors. Also the windows on ground level were bigger ones. Would be very easy to just shoot either of them out.
Dec 16, 2012 1:21pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:23 PM
gut;1344350 wrote:It would be just you who must be dumber than shit to not even understand the point being made. A guy is going to walk around the school (because it's locked down) with his assault rifle...and no one is going to see him...then shoot out a window....and no one is going to notice...crawl thru it with his assault rifle....while no one notices....and then lock-n-load and start firing on the kids and teacher having class.

Heck, maybe they'll even help him crawl thru the window to save time. LMFAO and you think I'm the dumb one. That's clearly your problem. Cracks me up when absolute morons try to call someone stupid. Really can't believe I had to spell that out, but I guess some people just aren't real bright.

And, by the way, controlling access doesn't necessarily just mean the front door. Think prison set-up if you want to be completely secure.
It isnt that black and white, gut.
Dec 16, 2012 1:23pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:30 PM
Crimson streak;1344292 wrote:He would still of found a way to get the guns he used. It's not like every gun will just magically disappear. There was absolutely no stopping this.
Exactly. Just because alcohol became outlawed in the early 1900s, it didn't all of a sudden go away. People started making it in their bathtubs and distributing it illegally. Guns are always going to be available to those who want them. Big time drug dealers will just have another criminal enterprise to profit from. Sure, you and me might not go out and buy guns off the black market if they were illegal for fear of imprisonment, but a sociopath who has a master plan to shoot up a kindergarten room doesn't play by the same rules. It might make it harder to find them, but people who want to murder will find the weapons necessary in order to it.

So let's break that equation down: If guns are banned, the only everyday people in our country that will have them are murderers and robbers. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. Sigh.
Dec 16, 2012 1:30pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:30 PM
Pick6;1344362 wrote:It isnt that black and white, gut.
I realize there are trade-offs being made. But if you want the SCHOOL to be secure, you just put up a wall or fence around the school and monitor/control the only gate in and out.

For obvious reasons we aren't going to turn the schools into prisons. Heck, you can take all these "preventive measures" and then the guy can just go mow down kids on the playground with his car.
Dec 16, 2012 1:30pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:32 PM
gut;1344350 wrote:It would be just you who must be dumber than shit to not even understand the point being made. A guy is going to walk around the school (because it's locked down) with his assault rifle...and no one is going to see him...then shoot out a window....and no one is going to notice...crawl thru it with his assault rifle....while no one notices....and then lock-n-load and start firing on the kids and teacher having class.

Heck, maybe they'll even help him crawl thru the window to save time. LMFAO and you think I'm the dumb one. That's clearly your problem. Cracks me up when absolute morons try to call someone stupid. Really can't believe I had to spell that out, but I guess some people just aren't real bright.

And, by the way, controlling access doesn't necessarily just mean the front door. Think prison set-up if you want to be completely secure.
So instead of going into the school, the shooter just waits in the parking lot until school lets out to carry out his act. You can't stop this stuff.
Dec 16, 2012 1:32pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:43 PM
Rotinaj;1344360 wrote:I don't remember a single school I've been to that didn't have glass doors. Also the windows on ground level were bigger ones. Would be very easy to just shoot either of them out.
I understand that. If you have glass doors you can't keep someone out that really wants in, that's the first part of the problem.

But even ignoring a similar issue with the windows, the guy still has to walk around unseen, then shoot out or break the window and then crawl thru (which is actually not as quick and easy as everyone is pretending, certainly not like walking thru the front door)...while everyone just sits there?

It's all beside the point though. If you want to keep this from happening, if the school is built with that in mind, he's not going to be able to walk around and shootout a window to crawl thru.

And, lmao, people who think a guard would have done something - could the guy not still walk around and shootout a window and crawl thru it?
Dec 16, 2012 1:43pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:49 PM
se-alum;1344378 wrote:So instead of going into the school, the shooter just waits in the parking lot until school lets out to carry out his act. You can't stop this stuff.
You could fence in the parking lot, along with additional measures. But as others mentioned, you make schools more secure and they will just pick out an easier target.
Dec 16, 2012 1:49pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:54 PM
Tigerfan00;1344320 wrote:Is it just me or is gut the dumbest poster on this site?
No, it's CC for thinking teachers having guns is a good idea.
Dec 16, 2012 1:54pm
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Dec 16, 2012 1:54 PM
According to a family friend, Nancy Lanza stockpiled these high-powered weapons because she was "worried that people would come for her house if the economy collapsed."

So in other words, she's some rich woman living in some elite Connecticut suburb who had delusions that some ne'er-do-wells were coming from the inner city to raid her precious house(90% chance she took it from her husband in the divorce.) And of course, she didn't think to keep them away from the only REAL danger in her cookie-cutter neighborhood, her developmentally disabled son.

She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.
Dec 16, 2012 1:54pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:02 PM
James Gatz;1344408 wrote:According to a family friend, Nancy Lanza stockpiled these high-powered weapons because she was "worried that people would come for her house if the economy collapsed."

So in other words, she's some rich woman living in some elite Connecticut suburb who had delusions that some ne'er-do-wells were coming from the inner city to raid her precious house(90% chance she took it from her husband in the divorce.) And of course, she didn't think to keep them away from the only REAL danger in her cookie-cutter neighborhood, her developmentally disabled son.

She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.

Shitty parent!!!
Dec 16, 2012 2:02pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:06 PM
Nancy Lanza had every right to stockpile any type of legal gun that she did, if she felt so inclined to do so to protect herself from a potential robbery. She is a single woman, after all, and has the right to defend herself. Also, she sounds like somebody who enjoys collecting and shooting guns. No problem there.

It's no different than a farmer in Ohio who has enough shotguns to fend off an attack from Robert E. Lee. It's called protecting your shit.

We have no idea what type of parent Nancy Lanza was.
Dec 16, 2012 2:06pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:09 PM
James Gatz;1344408 wrote: She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.
Go ahead and throw her in jail...oh wait
Dec 16, 2012 2:09pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:16 PM
James Gatz;1344408 wrote:According to a family friend, Nancy Lanza stockpiled these high-powered weapons because she was "worried that people would come for her house if the economy collapsed."

So in other words, she's some rich woman living in some elite Connecticut suburb who had delusions that some ne'er-do-wells were coming from the inner city to raid her precious house(90% chance she took it from her husband in the divorce.) And of course, she didn't think to keep them away from the only REAL danger in her cookie-cutter neighborhood, her developmentally disabled son.

She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.
That's just absolutely retarded
Dec 16, 2012 2:16pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:19 PM
James Gatz;1344408 wrote:...She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.
No she doesn't and she won't get any.
Dec 16, 2012 2:19pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:20 PM
James Gatz;1344408 wrote:According to a family friend, Nancy Lanza stockpiled these high-powered weapons because she was "worried that people would come for her house if the economy collapsed."

So in other words, she's some rich woman living in some elite Connecticut suburb who had delusions that some ne'er-do-wells were coming from the inner city to raid her precious house(90% chance she took it from her husband in the divorce.) And of course, she didn't think to keep them away from the only REAL danger in her cookie-cutter neighborhood, her developmentally disabled son.

She deserves just as much blame as her insane son.
Her son wasn't the "only real danger", but he was most definitely the most imminent threat. Being a responsible owner is just that. She didn't properly secure her guns from her son who she mentioned before she was worried about. Now if she had properly secured them, we don't know that he wouldn't have stolen them somewhere else. We also don't know how they were secured and how he got them.
Dec 16, 2012 2:20pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:38 PM
LJ;1344456 wrote:Her son wasn't the "only real danger", but he was most definitely the most imminent threat.

She lived in Newtown Connecticut, where precisely two robberies and ten assaults occurred this year. If she wants to stockpile weapons because she enjoys collecting them, cool. But stockpiling them because you're worried about a global economic collapse is fantasy shit.
She didn't properly secure her guns from her son who she mentioned before she was worried about.
And this is the point. She, from what we understand, was mentally sound. Her son, clearly was not. From what we are beginning to hear, she was fully aware that her son was giving indications of being dangerous, and she gave him easy access to deadly weapons that were completely and totally unnecessary for her to have.

When you have a mentally disabled son who is showing violent tendencies, I'd hope the right to your "hobby" or the right to live out some fantasy would take a back seat to the actual safety of those around you.
Dec 16, 2012 2:38pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:40 PM
gut;1344433 wrote:Go ahead and throw her in jail...oh wait
True, the silver lining is that at least she's dead.
Dec 16, 2012 2:40pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:57 PM
Apparently some other piece of shit exist up there. Bomb threat to a church in Newtown this morning.
Dec 16, 2012 2:57pm
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Dec 16, 2012 3:01 PM
Sonofanump;1344508 wrote:Apparently some other piece of **** exist up there. Bomb threat to a church in Newtown this morning.
Legit, or some stupid POS teenager that thought it would be funny?
Dec 16, 2012 3:01pm
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Dec 16, 2012 3:05 PM
Yeah, sounds like a troll job to me. A very poor one.
Dec 16, 2012 3:05pm
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Dec 16, 2012 3:07 PM
Supposedly they got a call that said "I'm coming to kill"

Whether or not it was real doesn't matter. They HAVE to treat it as real.
Dec 16, 2012 3:07pm