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Lenin
Posts: 22
Dec 21, 2009 11:35am
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 21, 2009 11:41am
Pretty harsh article... I didn't realize that each Big 10 school gets more for their TV contracts than ND does... interesting.
This will certainly get a rise out of ND fans on here.
This will certainly get a rise out of ND fans on here.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Dec 21, 2009 11:42am
*grabs popcorn*
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 21, 2009 11:46am
Yeah I've said before that I think a conference would help them, but I get mocked by some of the Notre Dame fans. My point is that when a team gets a few losses and is eliminated from the Championship picture, they have something to aim for in a conference championship. When Notre Dame loses what else kind of goal can they set?
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 21, 2009 11:47am
I don't think remaining independent is sinking the program. The botched coaching searches and subsequent hires have contributed more to the program sinking than anything else IMO. And "out-athleted by Navy"??? Riiiight.
Anyways, there was a time when Notre Dame wanted to join the Big 10. The Big 10 rejected ND then. Some apparently forget that.
For the record.....I've stated before that I'd like to see ND join the Big 10.
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Anyways, there was a time when Notre Dame wanted to join the Big 10. The Big 10 rejected ND then. Some apparently forget that.
For the record.....I've stated before that I'd like to see ND join the Big 10.
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jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 21, 2009 11:48am
agreedkiller_ewok wrote: I don't think remaining independent is sinking the program. The botched coaching searches and subsequent hires have contributed more to the program sinking than anything else IMO.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Dec 21, 2009 11:49am
Get a rise out of Notre Dame fans? I tend to not get too fired up over something from cbssports.com...
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rock_knutne
Dec 21, 2009 11:55am
Bingo!Mr Pat wrote:I tend to not get too fired up over something from cbssports.com...
IMO, that's just another hack/hate article used to get hits on their website. When thing are good or bad in South Bend, these hacks can always count on ND to genrate them some revenue.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 21, 2009 11:56am
Yeah, I think the ND fan base (collectively) on here get a bad rap. Sure, there are a few hot heads but I think that could be said for some of the fans of every team on here. I think the majority of us on here are pretty level-headed and logical. Some paint us with this brush though.......
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 21, 2009 12:12pm
I didn't read the entire article, but I'll make a few points, and might be wrong:
1. The Big 10 network covers all sports, not just football. I don't know what Notre Dame gets for being in the Big East in other sports, but that has to be factored in
2. When a team makes a bowl, they split the money they receive with the conference. Obviously this year Notre Dame isn't making any money off of a BCS bowl, but if they do, which they think they can, instead of splitting $20 million with a conference, they keep it all.
3. Being independent always them to play all across the country instead of one region. That caters to their alums, as well as potential recruits.
4. They are on national TV every single home game. If they join a conference, that won't be the case. That could hurt recruiting, and doesn't suit their egos.
1. The Big 10 network covers all sports, not just football. I don't know what Notre Dame gets for being in the Big East in other sports, but that has to be factored in
2. When a team makes a bowl, they split the money they receive with the conference. Obviously this year Notre Dame isn't making any money off of a BCS bowl, but if they do, which they think they can, instead of splitting $20 million with a conference, they keep it all.
3. Being independent always them to play all across the country instead of one region. That caters to their alums, as well as potential recruits.
4. They are on national TV every single home game. If they join a conference, that won't be the case. That could hurt recruiting, and doesn't suit their egos.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Dec 21, 2009 12:17pm
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georgemc80
Posts: 983
Dec 21, 2009 1:16pm
At this point in time...Missouri brings a whole lot more to the table than ND. I know this might change because ND's ceiling is higher. ND already plays 3-4 Big Ten teams every year so the blogger's argument doesn't make sense about ND being national. you still get 4 OOC games to go wherever you wish. Play USC, Boston College, Oklahoma, and FSU.....you have covered the entire nation.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 21, 2009 1:19pm
That's a common thought...but it's incorrect. ND gets $1 million from the BCS when they don't make a BCS game. When they DO make a BCS game, ND gets $4.5 million...the equivalent of a second place team in a conference. ND used to get around $11 million if they made a BCS bowl...but things have been restructured.2. When a team makes a bowl, they split the money they receive with the conference. Obviously this year Notre Dame isn't making any money off of a BCS bowl, but if they do, which they think they can, instead of splitting $20 million with a conference, they keep it all.
Bingo! Rather than limiting 5/6 of the schedule to the same part of the country...ND can play out West, down South, and in the Midwest.3. Being independent always them to play all across the country instead of one region. That caters to their alums, as well as potential recruits.
Don't forget that even if ND is away...they are basically on National TV, too. They always show ND games because they know it brings in tons of viewers.4. They are on national TV every single home game. If they join a conference, that won't be the case. That could hurt recruiting, and doesn't suit their egos.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 21, 2009 1:44pm
I thought I might be wrong about the Bowl game payout, but still pretty good.
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rock_knutne
Dec 21, 2009 1:54pm
sherm03 wrote:That's a common thought...but it's incorrect. ND gets $1 million from the BCS when they don't make a BCS game. When they DO make a BCS game, ND gets $4.5 million...the equivalent of a second place team in a conference. ND used to get around $11 million if they made a BCS bowl...but things have been restructured.
You can thank the former AD, Kevin White for that bone head move, one of many he made during his time at ND.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Dec 21, 2009 2:00pm
Greg Doyel wishes he was Jason Statham
newarkcatholicfan
Posts: 3,199
Dec 21, 2009 2:33pm
I hope they stay Indy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 21, 2009 3:15pm
Yeah, like 100 years ago? How about in 1999? Or now?Anyways, there was a time when Notre Dame wanted to join the Big 10. The Big 10 rejected ND then. Some apparently forget that
I just thought that was a dumb comment, and pointless to bring up when you are being offered to join now, and your excuse is "well we wanted too back in the day" LOL
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 21, 2009 4:03pm
The point was that if the Big 10 would not have given ND the finger back when they wanted to join.....we wouldn't be having this discussion. I mean, people rip ND for shunning the Big 10, but who shunned who first? The Big 10 had their reasons for keeping ND out then and now ND has their reasons to decline their invitation to join the conference.sleeper wrote:Yeah, like 100 years ago? How about in 1999? Or now?Anyways, there was a time when Notre Dame wanted to join the Big 10. The Big 10 rejected ND then. Some apparently forget that
I just thought that was a dumb comment, and pointless to bring up when you are being offered to join now, and your excuse is "well we wanted too back in the day" LOL
Again, I would like to see ND join the Big 10. I don't see it happening though.
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 21, 2009 4:07pm
ND not being on TV every game will NOT hurt their recruiting. It doesn't hurt anybody else in the country. I highly doubt that recruits are watching every single ND game anyways.
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rock_knutne
Dec 21, 2009 4:28pm
That's not the point. ND's TV deal is a great selling point to recruits because they're home games are on national TV every week and not on a regional basis. Even ND's away games have been picked up nationally by ESPN/ABC, no one else can claim that. It's true that just about every single CFB program gets air time but it's regional for the most part and sometimes you have to pay to see some games.jpake1 wrote: ND not being on TV every game will NOT hurt their recruiting. It doesn't hurt anybody else in the country. I highly doubt that recruits are watching every single ND game anyways.
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rock_knutne
Dec 21, 2009 4:31pm
It's not an excuse, ND feels they are just fine as an independant. What I think is dumb is that you make these ridiculous claims when it's the Big 10 who has a hard on for ND to join and not the other way around.sleeper wrote:Yeah, like 100 years ago? How about in 1999? Or now?
I just thought that was a dumb comment, and pointless to bring up when you are being offered to join now, and your excuse is "well we wanted too back in the day" LOL
Hesston
Posts: 516
Dec 21, 2009 5:34pm
what is Notre Dames argument for staying independent? I too would like to see them join the Big 10
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 21, 2009 5:55pm
That's fine, as long as ND is willing to remain mediocre, which seems to be all it takes to retain a delusional fan base.rock_knutne wrote:It's not an excuse, ND feels they are just fine as an independant. What I think is dumb is that you make these ridiculous claims when it's the Big 10 who has a hard on for ND to join and not the other way around.sleeper wrote:Yeah, like 100 years ago? How about in 1999? Or now?
I just thought that was a dumb comment, and pointless to bring up when you are being offered to join now, and your excuse is "well we wanted too back in the day" LOL
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 21, 2009 5:58pm
Delusional? I prefer "loyal."sleeper wrote:That's fine, as long as ND is willing to remain mediocre, which seems to be all it takes to retain a delusional fan base.rock_knutne wrote:It's not an excuse, ND feels they are just fine as an independant. What I think is dumb is that you make these ridiculous claims when it's the Big 10 who has a hard on for ND to join and not the other way around.sleeper wrote:Yeah, like 100 years ago? How about in 1999? Or now?
I just thought that was a dumb comment, and pointless to bring up when you are being offered to join now, and your excuse is "well we wanted too back in the day" LOL
