QuakerOats;1502354 wrote:The R's have put forth many great ideas; they never are reported upon because the media is complicit with the admin in continually floating the ridiculous notion that the R's are the party of "no". It is getting reallllllyyyy old.

Bottom line; Harry Reid will never let a republican idea see the light of day in the senate, nor would the imposter in the WH ever sign anything. Hence we are stuck with this horrific trainwreck unless it can somehow be defunded. Again, all of this brought to all of us 100% by democrats in a force-fed manner. To somehow try and twist that into a republican problem is ludicrous. How about the democrats grow up, admit they made a huge mistake, and take corrective action, after all, they created this mess. Where is their responsibility?????????????

ptown_trojans_1;1502360 wrote:SO, you blame the media and the other side?
Isn't there is thing called Fox news and the radio?
Use that pulpit for these great ideas.
Rise above the BS guys.

QuakerOats;1502381 wrote:You continue to spin it as a R problem. It isn't. The dems forced obamakare on us; it is a massive boondoggle. The dems control the majority in DC; they could fix it, abandon it, defund it, if they wanted to ......but they won't. Only they have the power to solve this mess; we don't. What is so difficult to understand about that?

ptown_trojans_1;1502336 wrote:I agree, but that was 2010.
How about they bring those back.
Be the responsible party now.
Do the all out media blitz that they can, instead of the defunding bs.

QuakerOats;1502431 wrote:Why don't the dems say (at least privately) to the r's: "hey, we gotta save face, we know this thing is a disaster and we would be willing to work on some fixes, including delaying the whole thing until we can decide on the fixes. Can you float your suggestions (AGAIN) and we will come up with some ideas too, and perhaps a year from now we will have something workable and not have the entire country in upheavel."

That would be a small semblence of leadership from the party in power; and that is where it needs to start. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen because it appears the dems simply refuse to admit to the disaster they created.

ptown_trojans_1;1502417 wrote:No, I agree with you, it is a total disaster and mess.
All I am saying is the prescription and policy solution by the R's is to just blow up the whole damn town, solving nothing, and creating a bigger problem.

Instead, they should take the higher and better road and say instead, "Ok, this is a disaster, here is how we would fix it."
And you are saying, "Oh, they can't because they aren't in power. boohooo."
Grow a pair and find a way. The R's aren't all powerless in this town.

jmog;1502452 wrote:So, the Ds screw it all up and will not even listen to the ideas from the Rs because "hey, you lost, deal with it". The Ds had all the power at the time so they could get away with it.

Now, even most Ds realize it is a clusterf*&k, it's the Rs job to do a "media blitz" and pass a bill to fix the clusterf*$k?

You do realize, that right now, the Rs only have power in 1 house, 1 part of 4 parts of the government (including Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS). So please explain HOW they pass such a bill?

The Ds will NOT back down from the ACA, it was their crowning achievement and they will keep it come hell or high water, no matter how bad things get. You know this, I know this.

ptown_trojans_1;1502457 wrote:So, the only solution is a Government shutdown?
Please..

jmog;1502324 wrote:The Rs had ideas back in the original debate but since the Ds had a majority in both Houses they were told to sit down and shut up.

Please don't act like the Ds were all about getting consensus across the aisle when the ACA was shoved through.

QuakerOats;1502431 wrote:Why don't the dems say (at least privately) to the r's: "hey, we gotta save face, we know this thing is a disaster and we would be willing to work on some fixes, including delaying the whole thing until we can decide on the fixes. Can you float your suggestions (AGAIN) and we will come up with some ideas too, and perhaps a year from now we will have something workable and not have the entire country in upheavel."

That would be a small semblence of leadership from the party in power; and that is where it needs to start. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen because it appears the dems simply refuse to admit to the disaster they created.

“We do not want socialized medicine…behind it will come other government programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day as Norman Thomas said we will wake to find that we have socialism…We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”

QuakerOats;1502510 wrote:No, it is not the only solution, but it is the only one we have given the radical left leadership of the party in majority control. They NEVER extend their hand to our side of the aisle; it is always the R's who must cross over and compromise. At some point enough is enough, especially considering what is presently at stake.

jmog;1502511 wrote:Your solution is that magically the Rs, when they don't have the power, should fix the clusterf$&k that the Ds created. They should pull off this magic trick all while the Ds would shoot down any and every bill that is passed in the HoR because they are going down with the ACA ship.

You can't be serious.

ptown_trojans_1;1502417 wrote:No, I agree with you, it is a total disaster and mess.
All I am saying is the prescription and policy solution by the R's is to just blow up the whole damn town, solving nothing, and creating a bigger problem.

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:Because it's not going to be a disaster just like the horrific future that Ronald Reagan described did not come to pass in the wake of passing Medicare....the most popular program in the United States next to Social Security.



^^^That was half a century ago!!

BoatShoes;1502522 wrote:The major pillars of the Affordable Care Act were invented by conservatives....

QuakerOats;1502537 wrote:LOL -- and we're not $17 TRILLION in debt - on book - ; WITH $75 trillion IN UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, either, with $50 trillion of that being the bankrupt and insolvent medicare program.


God you are funny ------ Ignore the facts / drink some wine / someone else will pay for it ...


Carry on.

QuakerOats;1502540 wrote:Medication time again:


Name 1 conservative who voted for this disaster.

Name 1 republican who voted for this disaster.



OWN IT, libtards!!!!!

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:Because it's not going to be a disaster just like the horrific future that Ronald Reagan described did not come to pass in the wake of passing Medicare....the most popular program in the United States next to Social Security.

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:That was half a century ago!!