wildcats20;1324934 wrote:The false start was awful lol. But Ward's hit was not clean. You can't hit a guy helmet to helmet. That is what he did.

The fumble, or lack of, is debatable. I didn't think he ever had total control of the call. But I can also see why most think he did. It could have went either way.

Also how about the horse collar call? And there were multiple other times the Browns secondary should have been called for holds or PI.

Shit like this happens every game. Blatant calls are missed every game.

Heretic;1324938 wrote:Usually, the people who complain about the refs in Pittsburgh games not named Non are fans of other teams.

Heretic;1324938 wrote:Usually, the people who complain about the refs in Pittsburgh games not named Non are fans of other teams.

like_that;1324940 wrote:I know shit like this happens every game, thus I normally never complain about it, however yesterday was just god awful. Not sure what other holds you are talking about. It seems like 95% of the passes that went to Skring were called. Bitching about that is like bitching about the refs not calling a hold on a lineman. I think Browns fans have a legit gripe with the things I mentioned, and that includes Ward's hit.

wildcats20;1324934 wrote:The false start was awful lol. But Ward's hit was not clean. You can't hit a guy helmet to helmet. That is what he did.

The fumble, or lack of, is debatable. I didn't think he ever had total control of the call. But I can also see why most think he did. It could have went either way.

Also how about the horse collar call? And there were multiple other times the Browns secondary should have been called for holds or PI.

Shit like this happens every game. Blatant calls are missed every game.

BR1986FB;1324973 wrote:Ward's hit was shoulder to shoulder. No helmet's involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3astzzB1zZs

hasbeen;1324966 wrote:There's no way, with the way the rules have been called the last few years, that Ward's hit was questionable. It was a penalty.

hasbeen;1324978 wrote:Not sure what you're looking at. I'm seeing TJ Ward's right shoulder go into the earhole of Kevin Ogletree's helmet.

like_that;1324979 wrote:There was nothing against the rules with Ward's hit. It was not helmet to helmet. They threw the flag because it looked violent.

like_that;1324979 wrote:There was nothing against the rules with Ward's hit. It was not helmet to helmet. They threw the flag because it looked violent. Apparently Ward was supposed to allow him to catch the ball, and then he could hit him. What a joke.

BR1986FB;1324984 wrote:Nope. Shoulder to shoulder underneath the facemask. Clean hit.

hasbeen;1324986 wrote:“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
[. . .]
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”

hasbeen;1324988 wrote:Even if it was underneath the facemask, it is an illegal hit. Under the facemask is 'neck area'.

Not a clean hit.

BR1986FB;1324997 wrote:He got all pad, no head or neck...Clean hit. Now the hit Ward had on Jordan Shipley was illegal but not this one.

like_that;1325039 wrote:As I have said before, I normally don't bitch about the refs...

I think my track record speaks for itself.

Pick6;1325044 wrote:I know.. Im just saying..yeah there was a missed false start, yeah there was a missed horse-collar. Even with all of the bad calls, the Browns still could have won the game. It was one of the sloppiest games I feel I have ever seen.

BR1986FB;1325062 wrote:Good teams overcome shitty calls. The Browns aren't good enough for that. Shit, Matt Ryan threw FIVE picks yesterday and the Falcons still won. That stuff doesn't happen to the Browns.

BR1986FB;1325062 wrote:Good teams overcome shitty calls. The Browns aren't good enough for that. Shit, Matt Ryan threw FIVE picks yesterday and the Falcons still won. That stuff doesn't happen to the Browns.