We can’t trust the Obama Administration and the Media to report the truth.

Over the past one year (only), please post the Layoff (jobs lost) and or the Hire (jobs created) Report. Please provide documentation of your finding.

Layoff (jobs lost) : FirstEnergy 147 total 56 Akron Area
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/firstenergy-lays-off-142-56-in-akron-1.346828

But just wait until Romney takes office and gets smacked with the coming recession - after a recovery that never materialized. Then everyone that wants to give Obama 8 years to fix this mess is going to expect Romney to fix it in 8 weeks.

gut;1310502 wrote:But just wait until Romney takes office and gets smacked with the coming recession - after a recovery that never materialized. Then everyone that wants to give Obama 8 years to fix this mess is going to expect Romney to fix it in 8 weeks.

I contact people all over the country daily and locally I talk to business owns all the time. Obama Administration has created a lack of “confidence” in the small business world. Everyone is on a holding pattern, no confidence in Obama, Obamacare, Foreign and Domestic Agenda and the handling of the Economy. Leadership incompetency breeds lack of Confidence and Suspicion.
Remind yourself that many businesses presently are one job away from closing and five jobs from potential hiring. However before the business will take additional steps to hire, build and invest in their companies they have to have the “confidence” and “direction” of other business that also see prosperity potential.

When Romney takes office …. (depending on what damage Obama does during the lame duck period with directing Executive orders) it will require 8-9 months before any sign of improvements can be measured. Why: to take a term “Shove Ready”. Before any shove ready or production ready can begin preparation has to be preformed, hires trained, materials made, product scheduling justified and much more. Businesses are down to bare bone operations presently, to gearing up is not a simple or quick task. America Business will prosper and grow once "confidence is restored"

I agree with all that, and particularly the lack of confidence and certainty. But reality is also that there are signs of a coming global recession already. And that's bigger than Obama beating down American business.

It's going to be extremey difficult if we do see a global recession, because the Central Banks have no bullets left. And unemployment is still abysmal, so there's absolutely no cushion there, either. It's a potentially herculean task that Romney is probably not up to and, to quote Clinton "no one is". But 4 more years of Obama in that scenario is simply beyond frightening.

Now it's quite possible, given the circumstances, that the only thing anyone can do is print money and spend as we see another 50-100% increase in unemployment. There will be more Greece, Italy and Spain's. And this will continue until...eventually the global monetary system will collapse. Keep in mind the Global Depression was a driving force in collapse of the gold standard. There's really no reason to think a fiat money system is somehow immune from the same abuses and frictions/inefficiences (albeit perhaps different in form, not function).

Perhaps that is capitalism's way of redistributing wealth when it becomes too concentrated. The other scenario I see if the developed countries can't figure out how to adjust/adapt to global deflation we will see a dramatic shift toward protectionism. At least in the US, if we can find the energy resources we are capable of being virtually self-sufficient and largely insulate ourselves from a global reset. I'm all for free trade and capitalism, but there is no long-run if you can't survive the transition costs. From my perspective, resouces are not keeping pace with the [global] supply of labor, which leads to a disconnect in that growth is insufficient to absorb the increased labor supply.

gut;1310502 wrote:But just wait until Romney takes office and gets smacked with the coming recession - after a recovery that never materialized. Then everyone that wants to give Obama 8 years to fix this mess is going to expect Romney to fix it in 8 weeks.

It will be the same thing that happened to Obama.

Come 2014 mid terms Democrats will make huge gains in the House because the economy won't be fixed by then, just like it wasn't in 2010.

The fiscal cliff will be painful, but just wait for the hostage taking that will occur when Romney (should he win) looks to raise the debt ceiling in the first few months next year.

He will learn quite quickly how boxed in he is going to be when we see a repeat of what happened last time we tried to raise the limit.

A Romney presidency is literally dead on arrival if the Democrats hold the Senate. Just as the Republicans did with Obama (Mitch Mcconnells comment about the #1 priority making Obama a 1 term president) , Harry Reid will make it his personal mission to break Romney, and give him nothing he wants. The House will pass a shit load of bills, and they will all die in the Senate.

That is the new American politics.

IggyPride00;1310551 wrote:Harry Reid will make it his personal mission to break Romney, and give him nothing he wants. The House will pass a **** load of bills, and they will all die in the Senate.

Harry Reid is a major problem. Although, you can't very well label the Tea Party terrorists and then turn around and do the same thing. It's also a bit problematic to play hardball on the debt ceiling when the guy is just taking office and has no responsibility for the creation of that crisis.

Then there's the fact that, aside from Reid controlling the agenda, you don't need to flip a ton of votes to move things. That's the way it's always been done. This is hardly the first-time we have had gridlock and partisanship in the Congress. Presidents who are real leaders have been able to get things done. If Romney fails in that regard, he will and should be a 1-term president as well.

despite your raving and whining our economy is in recovery mode thanks to president obama.

gut;1310554 wrote:Harry Reid is a major problem.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/reid-says-he-cant-work-romney/

isadore;1310570 wrote:despite your raving and whining our economy is in recovery mode thanks to president obama.

No it is not. It is on life support and if obama is re-elected you can pull the plug.

JU-ICE;1310591 wrote:http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/reid-says-he-cant-work-romney/

I'm well aware of that. Reid's "partisanship" with Obama could also be argued. Don't fully understand that relationship and who is to blame, but they are hardly on the same page consistently.

I might also dispute Reid's claim that Dems will stand with him in the Senate. Plenty are running against the Obama agenda and are actually supporting some of Romney's platform. How they will vote is the question. But there's opportunity there. If not, Romney and the Repub House will have to call them out. Romney may have to compromise (something Obama and the Repubs have not done) some of his agenda and wait-out a change of control in 2014.

QuakerOats;1310593 wrote:No it is not. It is on life support and if obama is re-elected you can pull the plug.

Correct. Saying the economy is in recovery is like putting a happy face on being removed from life support but still in critical condition.

JU-ICE;1310591 wrote:http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/reid-says-he-cant-work-romney/

If their internal polls are saying Obama is leading, why even bring this up if you're Reid? Tell me they're scared.

I get calls every week from finance companies wanting to lend money for capex projects; for 4 years I said we are not doing anything until there is a change in the White House -- far too much uncertainty, far too expensive to invest in operations, much too risky in this regulatory environment. Every time I said that the response was, "I can't tell you how many times I have heard that"........week after week, month after month, year after year.


Reality 101: The obama Economic Disaster.

QuakerOats;1310637 wrote:I get calls every week from finance companies wanting to lend money for capex projects; for 4 years I said we are not doing anything until there is a change in the White House -- far too much uncertainty, far too expensive to invest in operations, much too risky in this regulatory environment. Every time I said that the response was, "I can't tell you how many times I have heard that"........week after week, month after month, year after year.


Reality 101: The obama Economic Disaster.

I believe this 100%
/sarcasm

Obama pay to not layoff workers

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contractors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1310655 wrote:I believe this 100%
/sarcasm

As you should. As an employee in a small manufacturing business, we are in the same boat. We're waiting for a change in the White House before we make any big moves. If no change, we'll continue to not spend any money.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1310655 wrote:I believe this 100%
/sarcasm

If it's changed to "I get emails every week from rich foreign guys looking for me to help them with 'taking care' of large sums of money so we can have a 65/35 split after the bank transaction is complete", would it be more believable? I say yes.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1310655 wrote:I believe this 100%
/sarcasm

I wouldn't expect you to believe it. Ever wonder why 23 Americans are out of work, with long term unemployment over 40%? Just keep referring to your union playbook for their answer, I guess. Good luck.

TedSheckler;1310692 wrote:As you should. As an employee in a small manufacturing business, we are in the same boat. We're waiting for a change in the White House before we make any big moves. If no change, we'll continue to not spend any money.

It's not just happening with small businesses. I'm in management of a relatively large company and our management team is in the same boat. With a stagnant economy we are not planning to do much capital investment at the moment and little if any hiring.

Is Obama personally to blame for this? No but his clearly anti-business rhetoric, Obamacare, etc. have all contributed to the skittishness.

Will Romney fix the mess? I doubt it but I have a hunch Mittster has a much better understanding of the fact that the presidency has the ability to lead by example. Reagan, for example, was a master at it. Obama has demonstrated to be exactly the opposite.

I hope the American sheeple understand that.

despite your raving and whining our economy is in recovery mode thanks to president obama.

Kool Aid Kool Aid,
tastes great!
Got to have some,
Can't wait!


Yeah...ask the young adults of Amerika....
18-29 year olds 16.5% unemployment... African American 21.4%....women 11.9%
http://generationopportunity.org/press/unemployment-high-at-12-0-percent-for-young-americans-as-presidential-election-nears/

That's a record you could run on!

It is now beginning ... You Obama fan will now reap what you wanted.... higher unemployment, poor getting poorer and the beginning of a new poorer population, more forcloser and higher crime
I have been on the phone to many of my business friends all over the county and the layoff are beginning and in 2 months more with 29 hour work for many.


Here a beginning list as of Monday layoff or fired employees
Diebold 250
FirstEnergy 200
Ramco Hudson 38
Will not give their name now but 3 Machine shop and 2 Tool Die Company will be cutting 20 jobs total in Canton
Army buddy in St Louis own a company he will be cut 4 people this week and 29 hour starting in January

This is happening everywhere now ...... wake the fuck up America

Mean while the company that I work for has thousands of jobs across the US. Jeep will have 1000 jobs in the Toledo area.

rmolin73;1318630 wrote:Mean while the company that I work for has thousands of jobs across the US. Jeep will have 1000 jobs in the Toledo area.

I thought jeep was moving to China?

rmolin73;1318630 wrote:Mean while the company that I work for has thousands of jobs across the US. Jeep will have 1000 jobs in the Toledo area.

Telling then, why is no one eating those jobs up? Because it's easier to sit at home and collect your check than actually work.

sleeper;1318642 wrote:Telling then, why is no one eating those jobs up? Because it's easier to sit at home and collect your check than actually work.

You would be wrong like Mr. Batshit Crazy himself. In one of our facilities we have over 300 applicants for 75 jobs.