gorocks99
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Sep 5, 2012 1:31pm
From ESPN:
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/57475/osu-psu-can-be-official-division-champsThe Big Ten confirmed to me Tuesday that both Penn State and Ohio State can be named official Leaders division champions this season -- and, in Penn State's case, during the next three seasons -- despite the postseason ban. The teams even would earn a trophy from the league for winning the division. The division representative in the Big Ten title game would not have the "champion" label if it finishes second or third in the standings.
imex99
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Sep 5, 2012 1:42pm
Very nice
Heretic
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Sep 5, 2012 1:44pm
Don't think Penn State will have to worry about that designation any time soon.
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vball10set
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Sep 5, 2012 2:05pm
That makes it a little nicer for the seniors if we can pull it off :thumbup:
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WebFire
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Sep 5, 2012 2:20pm
Um, duh? Perhaps I don't understand what this means?The division representative in the Big Ten title game would not have the "champion" label if it finishes second or third in the standings.
gorocks99
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Sep 5, 2012 2:21pm
I think you probably understand it ... basically, if Ohio State finishes first in the Leaders and Purdue finishes second, when announced at the championship game, Purdue would not be the "Leaders Division Champions." They'd just be the representatives from the Leaders Division.WebFire;1262025 wrote:Um, duh? Perhaps I don't understand what this means?
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WebFire
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Sep 5, 2012 4:25pm
Ahhh. That seems dumb. Why not make all or nothing?gorocks99;1262026 wrote:I think you probably understand it ... basically, if Ohio State finishes first in the Leaders and Purdue finishes second, when announced at the championship game, Purdue would not be the "Leaders Division Champions." They'd just be the representatives from the Leaders Division.
Pick6
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Sep 5, 2012 4:30pm
why does it seem dumb? makes perfect sense to me. Why call somebody the champion who isnt?WebFire;1262126 wrote:Ahhh. That seems dumb. Why not make all or nothing?
Fly4Fun
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Sep 5, 2012 4:34pm
I think it makes sense as the ban is only for post-season play. The division championship is a regular season attribute as it is won during the regular season not the post-season.WebFire;1262126 wrote:Ahhh. That seems dumb. Why not make all or nothing?
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WebFire
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Sep 5, 2012 4:47pm
Why call someone division champs that can't represent the division?Pick6;1262130 wrote:why does it seem dumb? makes perfect sense to me. Why call somebody the champion who isnt?
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WebFire
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Sep 5, 2012 4:47pm
I can see that side too. Just another * for the record books.Fly4Fun;1262135 wrote:I think it makes sense as the ban is only for post-season play. The division championship is a regular season attribute as it is won during the regular season not the post-season.
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vball10set
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Sep 5, 2012 4:50pm
WebFire;1262126 wrote:Ahhh. That seems dumb. Why not make all or nothing?
Pick6;1262130 wrote:why does it seem dumb? makes perfect sense to me. Why call somebody the champion who isnt?
gotta' agree with these two, Webbie--why does it seem dumb that "if" they win the division, they actually are the champions of that division? makes perfect sense to me :thumbup:Fly4Fun;1262135 wrote:I think it makes sense as the ban is only for post-season play. The division championship is a regular season attribute as it is won during the regular season not the post-season.
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vball10set
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Sep 5, 2012 4:54pm
for the team that plays in the B1G Championship you mean?WebFire;1262146 wrote:I can see that side too. Just another * for the record books.
ts1227
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Sep 5, 2012 8:58pm
It comes off as the B1G thinking they're better than everyone again/as usual (in this case, better than the organization that they choose to be a part of that levied the sanctions, the NCAA)vball10set;1262148 wrote:gotta' agree with these two, Webbie--why does it seem dumb that "if" they win the division, they actually are the champions of that division? makes perfect sense to me :thumbup:
Pac-12 did the opposite last year and did NOT name USC the division champion.
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WebFire
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Sep 5, 2012 9:18pm
I guess I see it as a team can be B1G champs without being division champs. THAT doesn't make sense. But technically, OSU is only banned from post-season, which doesn't include being a division champ.vball10set;1262148 wrote:gotta' agree with these two, Webbie--why does it seem dumb that "if" they win the division, they actually are the champions of that division? makes perfect sense to me :thumbup:
So, I see both sides.
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vball10set
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Sep 6, 2012 8:03am
Interesting takes on this decision...I guess, like most everything else, this can be perceived from various angles. However, it does give OSU and PSU coaches a motivational tool to use as the season draws to a close. Plus, a '2012 B1G Leaders Division Champion' trophy will look good in the WHAC 
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Tiernan
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Sep 6, 2012 8:56am
Just Win Baby. Trophies are for 8 yr old soccer tykes. If Bucks run the table everyone in the B1G will know who the true champions are.
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vball10set
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Sep 6, 2012 10:15am
very astute there, Tiernan, great post....smh :rolleyes:Tiernan;1262708 wrote:Just Win Baby. Trophies are for 8 yr old soccer tykes. If Bucks run the table everyone in the B1G will know who the true champions are.
Azubuike24
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Sep 6, 2012 6:38pm
The title should've been...
gorocks99;1261984 wrote:Ohio State can be division champions