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Aug 22, 2012 3:21 PM
Crazed mom beats football coach with baseball bat, claiming he molested her sons aged eight and nine
Taking the law into her own hands Richmond grabbed a bat from the trunk of her car and started chasing him.
When she caught up with him she began beating him repeatedly with the bat, causing as he begged for her to stop.

During the beating he was saying he didn’t do it and that he was sorry. If you didn’t do it then why are you saying you’re sorry? What are you sorry for?'

Hell yeah!!!! Hit em again.

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Aug 22, 2012 3:21pm
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Aug 22, 2012 3:36 PM
Good for her, if he was guilty.
Aug 22, 2012 3:36pm
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Aug 22, 2012 3:39 PM
While vigilantism is never justified, I'm unsympathetic if he's guilty. But if he's innocent, she deserves to be locked-up for a very long time.

Kids lie. She needed to let the cops do their job.

On a side note, I'd be leery of any coach of a kids team that didn't have a son or daughter of their own on the team. Exceptions would be "professional" youth teams that pay truly good/qualified coaches a decent sum to teach the game.
Aug 22, 2012 3:39pm
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Aug 22, 2012 3:56 PM
I'd be worried about any coach that couldn't out run a mother carrying a baseball bat.
Aug 22, 2012 3:56pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:05 PM
Zoltan;1252359 wrote:I'd be worried about any coach that couldn't out run a mother carrying a baseball bat.
Good point.

Also, you have to figure most people don't have experience running someone down and hitting them with a bat - there's a swing radius. If you can't outrun her, you'd think you could at least disarm her.
Aug 22, 2012 4:05pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:17 PM
I've been coaching youth sports for 3 years now. When I do my parent's meetings I tell parents that if their child is going to be on my team, they need to be visible to their child and the coaches at all times. I require them to stay at practices.

I'm not saying this guy is innocent, but if he is...simply putting in this requirement would have prevented false accusations. For all we know, the kids were just pissed because they weren't getting enough playing time.

Coaches have to be smart. Smart enough #1 to not put themselves in situations where parents could question their intentions and #2 to not molest kids (if that's what this guy was doing). He's either an idiot or a sicko.
Aug 22, 2012 4:17pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:18 PM
gut;1252333 wrote:While vigilantism is never justified
I disagree. Sometimes it is entirely justified.
Aug 22, 2012 4:18pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:25 PM
gut;1252333 wrote:While vigilantism is never justified, I'm unsympathetic if he's guilty. But if he's innocent, she deserves to be locked-up for a very long time.

... She needed to let the cops do their job.

The OC disagrees with you. They go by who deserved what in their eyes. Sorry, mob rules.
Aug 22, 2012 4:25pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:28 PM
Steel Valley Football;1252386 wrote:The OC disagrees with you. They go by who deserved what in their eyes. Sorry, mob rules.

SVF would have made an excellent nazi. It's the law. Do as your told and don't ask any questions.
Aug 22, 2012 4:28pm
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Aug 22, 2012 4:56 PM
FatHobbit;1252389 wrote:SVF would have made an excellent nazi. It's the law. Do as your told and don't ask any questions.

Or, don't break the law just because you think someone broke the law worse than you. Or, don't break the law trying to illegally police other citizens. Or, your mom.
Aug 22, 2012 4:56pm
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Aug 22, 2012 5:10 PM
FatHobbit;1252379 wrote:I disagree. Sometimes it is entirely justified.
You can't be an upstanding citizen and honestly believe that. Our court system is built around key concepts of innocent until proven guilty, and that no one person be judge, jury and executioner.

OK, I might agree it's "justified" if someone clearly guilty gets off on a technicality. I would have sympathy for the "mom" in that case. But it should still never be condoned or applauded, especially in cases of rape or molestation that tend to have shockingly high numbers of false accusations.
Aug 22, 2012 5:10pm
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Aug 22, 2012 5:20 PM
gut;1252418 wrote:You can't be an upstanding citizen and honestly believe that. Our court system is built around key concepts of innocent until proven guilty, and that no one person be judge, jury and executioner.

OK, I might agree it's "justified" if someone clearly guilty gets off on a technicality. I would have sympathy for the "mom" in that case. But it should still never be condoned or applauded, especially in cases of rape or molestation that tend to have shockingly high numbers of false accusations.
I do agree that people should be innocent until proven guilty and I don't think this woman should have beaten the coach up with a baseball bat just yet. But in the rare case where someone is obviously guilty and they get off I am not opposed to vigilante justice.
Aug 22, 2012 5:20pm
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Aug 22, 2012 5:27 PM
FatHobbit;1252424 wrote:I do agree that people should be innocent until proven guilty and I don't think this woman should have beaten the coach up with a baseball bat just yet. But in the rare case where someone is obviously guilty and they get off I am not opposed to vigilante justice.
Fair enough.

This will be a really interesting case to follow. She HAS to be charged, but if evidence comes forth that this guy is guilty it creates a situation no DA wants to be in. In that scenario, you plea it out and give her probation. But it's going to take time to investigate this, which grossly complicates things (maybe).

On the other hand, this sort of action - before cops have even had a chance to investigate - requires a swift and heavy action from the law. I see a real media circus developing, because you know the coverage will be very sympathetic to her and ignore facts on the coach's side that might suggest he's innocent.
Aug 22, 2012 5:27pm
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Aug 22, 2012 5:41 PM
FatHobbit;1252424 wrote:I do agree that people should be innocent until proven guilty and I don't think this woman should have beaten the coach up with a baseball bat just yet. But in the rare case where someone is obviously guilty and they get off I am not opposed to vigilante justice.

Hypocrite who called me a nazi.
Aug 22, 2012 5:41pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:45 PM
Steel Valley Football;1252441 wrote:Hypocrite who called me a nazi.
Lol, how does that make me a hypocrite?
Aug 22, 2012 6:45pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:50 PM
FatHobbit;1252480 wrote:Lol, how does that make me a hypocrite?

Because, I'm saying innocent until proven guilty/no vigilantism and you called me a nazi.

Then, you say you believe innocent until proven guilty/no vigilantism....with exceptions (based on your discretion, of course).
Aug 22, 2012 6:50pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:51 PM
And btw this certainly was not a valid exception with these circumstances.
Aug 22, 2012 6:51pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:51 PM
Steel Valley Football;1252486 wrote:Because, I'm saying innocent until proven guilty/no vigilantism and you called me a nazi.

Then, you say you believe innocent until proven guilty/no vigilantism....with exceptions (based on your discretion, of course).
So Nazis make exceptions?
Aug 22, 2012 6:51pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:52 PM
Steel Valley Football;1252488 wrote:And btw this certainly was not a valid exception with these circumstances.
I agree that due process was skipped, I even qualified it that she better be right.
Aug 22, 2012 6:52pm
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Aug 22, 2012 6:56 PM
FatHobbit;1252489 wrote:So Nazis make exceptions?
I'm saying we have the same view. Nazi was uncalled for. I don't appreciate that - my mama was a Jew.
Aug 22, 2012 6:56pm
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Aug 22, 2012 7:01 PM
Steel Valley Football;1252497 wrote:I'm saying we have the same view. Nazi was uncalled for. I don't appreciate that - my mama was a Jew.
In general I think you think if something is a law you should do it and it's right. I think you should do what is right and otherwise if you don't hurt anyone then do as you will.
Aug 22, 2012 7:01pm
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Aug 23, 2012 9:31 AM
FatHobbit;1252503 wrote:In general I think you think if something is a law you should do it and it's right. I think you should do what is right and otherwise if you don't hurt anyone then do as you will.
FatHobbit;1252503 wrote:In general I think you think if something is a law you should do it and it's right. I think you should do what is right and otherwise if you don't hurt anyone then do as you will.
I've never, ever said follow the law because it's right and that's why I do it. Ever.

My point was always that you need to follow the consequences of your actions if you break the law for a cause that you personally feel is justified. And, if you want to be a vigilante, you will probably break the law in doing so and need to own up to that...no matter if the OC masses think the revenge was deserved or just punishment.

I've been pretty consistent with that view and always get attacked because of it, though the reasons are never logical....just each posters own view of "what is right", which can have a hundred different variations.
Aug 23, 2012 9:31am
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Aug 23, 2012 9:41 AM
Steel Valley Football;1252412 wrote:Or, don't break the law just because you think someone broke the law worse than you. Or, don't break the law trying to illegally police other citizens. ...
This.
Aug 23, 2012 9:41am
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Aug 23, 2012 9:47 AM
Steel Valley Football;1252840 wrote:I've never, ever said follow the law because it's right and that's why I do it. Ever.
Not explicitly. When I get bored today I will see if I can find examples.
Aug 23, 2012 9:47am
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Aug 23, 2012 9:51 AM
FatHobbit;1252857 wrote:Not explicitly. When I get bored today I will see if I can find examples.
I've never even implied that. What you read into what I wrote is an entirely different story.
Aug 23, 2012 9:51am