Teacher union stoop to new low. This is why Teacher Unions have to go. This is why those that support Unions all Unions need to wake up....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/06/louisiana-teachers-union-threatens-schools-over-voucher-program/

Teachers unions suck. We know this.

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They want to sue the schools? Sounds like they are barking up the wrong tree. If I were the private school, I'd tell the union to shove it up their ass and proceed with what they were doing.

WebFire;1241390 wrote:They want to sue the schools? Sounds like they are barking up the wrong tree. If I were the private school, I'd tell the union to shove it up their ass and proceed with what they were doing.

Agreed. I'd challenge the thugs.

Public money for schools does not necessarily equate to public money for public schools. The idiots in the teachers unions are simply pissed because the money is being re-routed by parental/taxpayer CHOICE and not restricted by gubmint mandate.

This is the kind corrupt nonsense that drives me insane about the nanny state.

Well, much as I disagree with the motivations, federal $$$ in education is a failure and the whole system needs overhauled. So it's unintentionally a good development.

All schools should be privatized so we don't have to worry about this crap. If you want to send your kid to public or private schools it should be your choice. Pay out of pocket for the education you want your kids to have. If you can pay more their education will be better. If you can't pay too much then you get what you pay for. I'll gladly take $5 an hour for each kid I teach everyday and I will guarantee that any kid that follows my advice will maximize their potential in my class, providing the parents provide 3 meals a day and a safe environment that allows their kid to prosper. Failure to provide will void my guarantee.

Again, thugs refer to the union 'bosses" not necessarily the membership.

If unions allegedly "protect" teachers from liabilities (IE: some sort of pseudo-legal representation for their membership) that's fine.

But thuggery (that is intimidation tactics, vandalism, sabotage, violence, etc.) is definitely a key part of core unionism including teachers unions. There's no denying it.

ccrunner609;1249668 wrote: THe protection of that union contract is alot more inportant for this work environment then some auto worker that has union protection for almost nothing but being overpaid to turn a screw or bolt.

Some might argue people are overpaid for teaching a kid to do jumping jacks.

And some might say that with childhood obesity in America today that enough kids don't know how to do jumping jacks!!!

ccrunner609;1249687 wrote:what are you talking about? I dont recall ever hearing about teachers unions vandalizing and engaging in violence. Link?

Yeah I can't imagine Mrs. Crabtree engaging in violent activities on the picket line, but if you don't believe that the thugs at the top of the NEA do not utilize intimidation, threats, etc. to put pressure on their own membership, politicians, and so-called "scabs" who cross picket lines you're naive.

Al Bundy;1249675 wrote:Some might argue people are overpaid for teaching a kid to do jumping jacks.

PE was originally added to schools so the military would have a more physically fit selection of soldier for the draft. It was a matter of national defense, such as the addition of vitamin D to milk. As a teacher I think PE should be removed from school. Not all teachers are created equal. I am certified to teach Biology, Chemistry, general sciences 7-12. I wish I could spend my days teaching the fundamentals of tennis.

Schools need an overhaul just like a lot of under performing communities that feed these under performing schools. Unfit parents send a lot of unfit students to school. If concerned parents want an alternative go for it.

http://www.physical-education-institute.com/history_of_physical_education.html

"After the World War I was fought and won, the government released statistics from the draft that showed one out of every three drafted individuals was unfit for combat and many of those drafted were highly unfit prior to military training. The Government passed legislation that ordered the improvement of physical education programs within the public schools. The gains that physical education programs made through the passage of legislation following WW I were short-lived. Funding for these programs became limited and eventually was exhausted as emphasis in the poor economy during the great depression was forced to shift elsewhere, a significant fact that influence the history of physical education in the United States.
The United States entered World War II with the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. With the war came the need to draft military personnel. During the draft it became clear that many of the draftees were not fit for combat. When the war was over, it was reported that nearly half of all draftees needed to be rejected or were given non-combat positions. These disturbing statistics helped gain the attention of the country with regards to the importance of fitness and played an important role in the history of physical education."

mella;1249743 wrote:PE was originally added to schools so the military would have a more physically fit selection of soldier for the draft. It was a matter of national defense, such as the addition of vitamin D to milk. As a teacher I think PE should be removed from school. Not all teachers are created equal. I am certified to teach Biology, Chemistry, general sciences 7-12. I wish I could spend my days teaching the fundamentals of tennis.

Schools need an overhaul just like a lot of under performing communities that feed these under performing schools. Unfit parents send a lot of unfit students to school. If concerned parents want an alternative go for it.

I disagree. If you want to agree that we have national interests, and not just individual ones, it's in our national interest, both for security reasons and domestic self-reliance reasons, to raise fit and healthy kids. These kids in public schools probably need, as a general rule, more physical activity every day than they currently have if you ask me.

If I were in charge, public schools would be run a lot more like boot camp. When I was at boot camp, I personally was impressed with how that type of environment eventually made the guys who wanted to screw off get serious and learn their rate. I used to believe "if they want to screw off that's their problem." But, when I saw would-be losers become productive and skilled sailors through discipline my mind was changed.

Not everyone is just wired right away to be disciplined. And, staying fit and healthy takes discipline, a lot of discipline, in this day and age with so much temptation from terrible, tasty food and a pleasurable sedentary lifestyle.

I really believe that if public schools had serious PT programs you'd end up with a lot healthier and self-reliant and disciplined populace over time.

And, if you paid Gym Teachers what we pay drill sergeants you're almost surely looking at a significant pay cut but better results :laugh:

If I were king, every public school in Ohio would have a morning PT and they'd chant "We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan" on their morning run.

If you don't like that you can go to private school :laugh:

BoatShoes;1249762 wrote:I disagree. If you want to agree that we have national interests, and not just individual ones, it's in our national interest, both for security reasons and domestic self-reliance reasons, to raise fit and healthy kids. These kids in public schools probably need, as a general rule, more physical activity every day than they currently have if you ask me.

If I were in charge, public schools would be run a lot more like boot camp. When I was at boot camp, I personally was impressed with how that type of environment eventually made the guys who wanted to screw off get serious and learn their rate. I used to believe "if they want to screw off that's their problem." But, when I saw would-be losers become productive and skilled sailors through discipline my mind was changed.

Not everyone is just wired right away to be disciplined. And, staying fit and healthy takes discipline, a lot of discipline, in this day and age with so much temptation from terrible, tasty food and a pleasurable sedentary lifestyle.

I really believe that if public schools had serious PT programs you'd end up with a lot healthier and self-reliant and disciplined populace over time.

And, if you paid Gym Teachers what we pay drill sergeants you're almost surely looking at a significant pay cut but better results :laugh:

If I were king, every public school in Ohio would have a morning PT and they'd chant "We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan" on their morning run.

If you don't like that you can go to private school :laugh:

I don't really disagree with your post. I would one up the bootcamp idea and add dorms so students from crappy homes could stay in a healthy safe environment. It might be cheaper than building juvenile detention centers.

ccrunner609;1249687 wrote:what are you talking about? I dont recall ever hearing about teachers unions vandalizing and engaging in violence. Link?

It is fascinating to me when a guy like yourself who is conservative on nearly everything commits to a liberal position such as supporting collective bargaining by public employees; teachers in particular, because it's in your own personal interest. And, then, to continue to hold a general anti-union viewpoint, seeks to justify why "Teachers need unions" but "people who 'put bolts on cars' don't."

mella;1249766 wrote:I don't really disagree with your post. I would one up the bootcamp idea and add dorms so students from crappy homes could stay in a healthy safe environment. It might be cheaper than building juvenile detention centers.

More welfare on my dime. No thanks.

WebFire;1249771 wrote:More welfare on my dime. No thanks.

Absolutley not. Wouldn't even think about it without allocating money that is already being used somewhere else. This could be used instead of welfare money going to the home or some ideas along those lines.

BoatShoes;1249768 wrote:It is fascinating to me when a guy like yourself who is conservative on nearly everything commits to a liberal position such as supporting collective bargaining by public employees; teachers in particular, because it's in your own personal interest. And, then, to continue to hold a general anti-union viewpoint, seeks to justify why "Teachers need unions" but "people who 'put bolts on cars' don't."

It is mind numbing indeed. Especially for a guy that "teaches" phys ed for God sake.

ccrunner609;1249781 wrote:Last time I checked.....everyone knows the gig going in. If you want the PE job, go to college, get the education and interview against hundreds of others to get it.

Dont bitch about what he or she does for a living when you can go get your own.

Do you believe that a PE teacher should be on the same pay schedule as a physics or calculus teacher? PE teachers are the ones who turn the screw or bolt in the academic world.

mella;1249773 wrote:Absolutley not. Wouldn't even think about it without allocating money that is already being used somewhere else. This could be used instead of welfare money going to the home or some ideas along those lines.

The definition of what you described is welfare. I'm not talking about what fund it comes out of.

ccrunner609;1249838 wrote:[video=youtube;ZGisVaH4DLs][/video]

We take this stuff for granted because of our well rounded education that involved the ability to master gross motor movements. Good Physical education at young ages develop children in the proper way. As HS students PE should be an empowerment class to educate students the value of fitness. (i dont roll the ball out and play ref.....my kids learn stuff)

You show a video of people who are extremely clumsy, yet we can't beat them. I am not sure how that helps your point. You avoided the question of whether or not PE teachers should be on the same pay schedule as physics, calculus, etc.

There's a wealth of information out there about nutrition and fitness. Not to mention, most parents can and should be able to teach their kids this. Not the case with physics and calculus.

WebFire;1249889 wrote:The definition of what you described is welfare. I'm not talking about what fund it comes out of.

I thinking it might be preventative social medicine. Break the cycle of poverty and disfunction. I am not big on the generational welfare system we have now. I hear you though.