SportsAndLady
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Jul 29, 2012 12:55pm
Best team in baseball going for 10 in a row
Gonna lose
Gonna lose
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 29, 2012 12:58pm
Lets get some trade talk going
1-do you want to see the reds make a move at the deadline?
2-who/what position do you want them to target?
3-realistically, do we have the "pieces" to land a big target?
John Fay:
1-do you want to see the reds make a move at the deadline?
2-who/what position do you want them to target?
3-realistically, do we have the "pieces" to land a big target?
John Fay:
DENVER — All the speculation around the Reds as we approach the non-waiver deadline revolves around three players: Minnesota’s Denard Span and Shane Victorino and Juan Pierre of Philadelphia.
But I think another player will have a great effect on what the Reds do. That’s Billy Hamilton.
Hamilton is the leadoff man of the future. There’s no question about that. I also think his future is in the outfield. The question is when does the future begin. Hamilton is hitting .306 with a .443 on-base after 49 at-bats at Double-A after hitting .323 with .413 at high A.
If the Reds think Hamilton is going to be ready as some point next year, that would probably eliminate Span from the equation. He’s signed for $4.75 million for 2013, $6.5 million for 2014 and has a $9 million option for 2015. If Hamilton is going to be on the Opening Day roster in 2014, you don’t want to be paying Span.
Because Span is signed, the Twins can demand more for him. His .348 on-base would be an upgrade at leadoff, but would it be worth putting left-hander Tony Cingrani or right-hander Daniel Corcino in the package — if Hamilton is close?
Victorino and Pierre are rental players. Both will be free agents after the season. Victorino, however, makes $9.5 million; Pierre $800,000.
Victorino is not having a great year. He’s hitting .256 with a .321 on-base. His career marks are .276 and .342.
Pierre makes the most sense in some ways. He’s cheap and has the best numbers. He’s hitting .305 with a .345 on-base and 23 steals in the 27 attempts. But he hasn’t played center field since 2009. If the Reds still think he can player center, he’d be the good guy to spell Drew Stubbs against tough right-handers. Pierre is hitting .333 with a .373 on-base against righties.
The other alternative is stand pat and move Brandon Phillips to leadoff once Joey Votto returns. Ryan Ludwick has looked like a cleanup guy since mid-June.
One thing to remember is Walt Jocketty often surprises when it comes to trades. There was no speculation about Mat Latos or Sean Marshall before the Reds traded for them.
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 1:27pm
First off, reds lose today. Sanchez has been terrible all year.. But he's owned the reds in his career.
As for the trade... I'll trust Walt. The team is playin really well, but I doubt he's fooled. I think they'll make a move.
As for the trade... I'll trust Walt. The team is playin really well, but I doubt he's fooled. I think they'll make a move.
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 1:35pm
Just saw that Marty has told the team he will shave his head if they win today and make it 10 in a row.
Ironman92
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Jul 29, 2012 3:19pm
That's a huge gesture by the pompous HOFer.
Major props.
Major props.
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 3:30pm
Rutlidge has torn us up this series. Gonna be another shoot out by the looks of it.
jordo212000
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Jul 29, 2012 3:36pm
If Heisey played CF, we wouldnt need to make a trade
He could play CF and leadoff and then Ludwick could play LF. Not sure why the Reds are convinced they need to overpay for Victorino when a guy on the team is better than him right now.
Would be nice to get a lefty specialist. And in an ideal world we get a SP and send Bronson to the Citgo in time for the stretch run
He could play CF and leadoff and then Ludwick could play LF. Not sure why the Reds are convinced they need to overpay for Victorino when a guy on the team is better than him right now.
Would be nice to get a lefty specialist. And in an ideal world we get a SP and send Bronson to the Citgo in time for the stretch run
jordo212000
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Jul 29, 2012 3:36pm
Also need a good bench guy. And need to not allow Dusty to play Rolen so much when Votto returns
Terry_Tate
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Jul 29, 2012 3:46pm
Reds lose 6-4.
jordo212000
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Jul 29, 2012 3:53pm
Sanchez sucks. He is one of those guys who do less with more.
Terry_Tate
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Jul 29, 2012 3:55pm
Stubbs with a sacrifice fly to give the Reds a 3-2 lead. Keeping his good streak alive.
SportsAndLady
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Jul 29, 2012 4:01pm
Lol...easy....Heisey is not that good.jordo212000;1236507 wrote:If Heisey played CF, we wouldnt need to make a trade
He could play CF and leadoff and then Ludwick could play LF. Not sure why the Reds are convinced they need to overpay for Victorino when a guy on the team is better than him right now.
Would be nice to get a lefty specialist. And in an ideal world we get a SP and send Bronson to the Citgo in time for the stretch run
The reason why I don't really feel like we need a leadoff guy at the deadline, is because I think Billy Hamilton comes up in September as the leadoff guy and stays.
jordo212000
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Jul 29, 2012 4:14pm
What position does Hamilton play when he comes up? He isn't playing CF right now
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 4:29pm
Stubbs is on fire
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 4:30pm
Please don't be hurt Phillips. He def looked like he was in pain.
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 4:32pm
Bruuuuuuuuuuce
SportsAndLady
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Jul 29, 2012 4:32pm
They said he can play CF, just isn't right nowjordo212000;1236549 wrote:What position does Hamilton play when he comes up? He isn't playing CF right now
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mhs95_06
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Jul 29, 2012 4:47pm
We don't want incoming players just to be able to "play" a certain position. One of the Reds advantages over most other teams is their excellent defense. We don't want to sacrifice it, by putting incoming players in a position at which they don't play at a high level of proficiency.SportsAndLady;1236557 wrote:They said he can play CF, just isn't right now
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jul 29, 2012 4:55pm
Once again Latos' wife is getting harassed on twitter(yes I follow her and I think some others on here do also, she blogs for MLB.com too) today because of the first inning. Some people saying they want him to get injured and not come back, others saying he would be in the pen if the playoffs started tomorrow because of his E.R.A. I think he would be a starter come playoff time.
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sportswizuhrd
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Jul 29, 2012 4:58pm
What do you think about giving him a roster spot for late inning Pinch Running?mhs95_06;1236567 wrote:We don't want incoming players just to be able to "play" a certain position. One of the Reds advantages over most other teams is their excellent defense. We don't want to sacrifice it, by putting incoming players in a position at which they don't play at a high level of proficiency.
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 5:02pm
sportswizuhrd;1236577 wrote:Once again Latos' wife is getting harassed on twitter(yes I follow her and I think some others on here do also, she blogs for MLB.com too) today because of the first inning. Some people saying they want him to get injured and not come back, others saying he would be in the pen if the playoffs started tomorrow because of his E.R.A. I think he would be a starter come playoff time.
A lot of idiots out there.
SportsAndLady
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Jul 29, 2012 5:07pm
He's played CF before. He can play multiple positions, doesn't mean he's terrible at any one.mhs95_06;1236567 wrote:We don't want incoming players just to be able to "play" a certain position. One of the Reds advantages over most other teams is their excellent defense. We don't want to sacrifice it, by putting incoming players in a position at which they don't play at a high level of proficiency.
He's the leadoff man of the Reds future...if he's not the all time greatest defensive CF ever, he'll make up for it in other ways.
Ironman92
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Jul 29, 2012 5:14pm
sportswizuhrd;1236579 wrote:What do you think about giving him a roster spot for late inning Pinch Running?
It's the obvious thing to do.
Hello, Dave Roberts.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jul 29, 2012 5:17pm
That is fine on Sept 1st.sportswizuhrd;1236579 wrote:What do you think about giving him a roster spot for late inning Pinch Running?
Midstate01
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Jul 29, 2012 5:20pm
Here come the pirates. Down 9-3 in the 9th. Have a run in( on another wild pitch) amd 2 on amd no outs.