2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Mar 20, 2012 10:16am
this is considered a part of hockey and looked upon as a good thing, but if this happened in the nba all the players would all be called a bunch of thugs and barbarians
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btw I thought this was awesome, just wondering why there is a double standard
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btw I thought this was awesome, just wondering why there is a double standard
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Gblock
Mar 20, 2012 10:30am
because hockey players are white
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Mar 20, 2012 10:38am
RepsGblock;1121972 wrote:because hockey players are white
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Sykotyk
Posts: 1,155
Mar 20, 2012 11:16am
Because in hockey, penalties reduce the numbers of players on the ice and a 'mutual fight' will drop each team by one. Since the 'speed' of a hockey game increases with fewer players on the ice, it's beneficial to try and get to 4-on-4. So, there's never been a desire to institute automatic ejections for fighting.
The NBA just does foul shots that doesn't accomplish anything in terms of really changing the game much then a few points to either side. It, therefore, cannot be mutual. Fighting in the NBA serves no purpose, then.
The NBA just does foul shots that doesn't accomplish anything in terms of really changing the game much then a few points to either side. It, therefore, cannot be mutual. Fighting in the NBA serves no purpose, then.
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Gblock
Mar 20, 2012 11:21am
the only sports you cant fight in are the predominantly black ones. i get the rules for hockey and why its allowed but your example doesnt take into account the disproportionate amount of the suspension you would get in nfl/nba for a simple fight.Sykotyk;1122001 wrote:Because in hockey, penalties reduce the numbers of players on the ice and a 'mutual fight' will drop each team by one. Since the 'speed' of a hockey game increases with fewer players on the ice, it's beneficial to try and get to 4-on-4. So, there's never been a desire to institute automatic ejections for fighting.
The NBA just does foul shots that doesn't accomplish anything in terms of really changing the game much then a few points to either side. It, therefore, cannot be mutual. Fighting in the NBA serves no purpose, then.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 20, 2012 11:25am
Because in basketball the fans are on the sidelines and are privy to any violence - see the Pistons/Pacers fight in '04. How many times has a hockey fight erupted with a professional climbing the glass? A few times, with nothing happening.
Thank Ron Artest for this.
Thank Ron Artest for this.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Mar 20, 2012 11:26am
Baseball is predominantly black?
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Mar 20, 2012 11:27am
[video=youtube;6ef1YVXM9IU][/video]Manhattan Buckeye;1122011 wrote:Because in basketball the fans are on the sidelines and are privy to any violence - see the Pistons/Pacers fight in '04. How many times has a hockey fight erupted with a professional climbing the glass? A few times, with nothing happening.
Thank Ron Artest for this.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 20, 2012 11:31am
Apparently you don't get the definition of a few times - that was chump change compared to the Pistons/Pacers fight. That was the worst brawl in the stands in sports history. There were innocent people being accosted that had nothing to do with the soda thrown at Artest. And its exacerbated by the fact that he could have called security that would have walked him off the court.
Very weak sauce.
Very weak sauce.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Mar 20, 2012 11:33am
I was more responding to your assertion that "nothing happened". Definitely when the '79 Bruins went into the stands, something​ happened.Manhattan Buckeye;1122019 wrote:Apparently you don't get the definition of a few times - that was chump change compared to the Pistons/Pacers fight. That was the worst brawl in the stands in sports history. There were innocent people being accosted that had nothing to do with the soda thrown at Artest. And its exacerbated by the fact that he could have called security that would have walked him off the court.
Very weak sauce.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 20, 2012 11:35am
imo, its because it isnt against the rules. In the NBA, they are actively breaking the rules by fighting. (In NHL, it isnt...I guess it is technically, since they get a penalty, but you get my point).
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Mar 20, 2012 11:35am
that's completely false - fighting majors don't put teams a man down.Sykotyk;1122001 wrote:Because in hockey, penalties reduce the numbers of players on the ice and a 'mutual fight' will drop each team by one. Since the 'speed' of a hockey game increases with fewer players on the ice, it's beneficial to try and get to 4-on-4. So, there's never been a desire to institute automatic ejections for fighting.
The NBA just does foul shots that doesn't accomplish anything in terms of really changing the game much then a few points to either side. It, therefore, cannot be mutual. Fighting in the NBA serves no purpose, then.
Also, instigating can get you ejected and adds an addition minor penalty.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 20, 2012 11:37am
Agreed, but at least the innocent people had a head start while the Bruins were climbing the glass. Artest and company could have easily severely hurt a random spectator. Thankfully, no one was, but it shouldn't be tolerated.gorocks99;1122021 wrote:I was more responding to your assertion that "nothing happened". Definitely when the '79 Bruins went into the stands, something​ happened.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Mar 20, 2012 11:39am
On grantland they had a write up on this - one player said if Jermaine O'Neal didn't slip throwing a punch he probably would've killed the guy he was trying to hit. He really thought Jermaine would've put the guy in critical condition if he hit him full force.Manhattan Buckeye;1122025 wrote:Agreed, but at least the innocent people had a head start while the Bruins were climbing the glass. Artest and company could have easily severely hurt a random spectator. Thankfully, no one was, but it shouldn't be tolerated.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Mar 20, 2012 11:40am
That's fair.Manhattan Buckeye;1122025 wrote:Agreed, but at least the innocent people had a head start while the Bruins were climbing the glass. Artest and company could have easily severely hurt a random spectator. Thankfully, no one was, but it shouldn't be tolerated.
BTW, the answer that probably won't satisfy everyone but is (IMO) the correct one is "because its been a part of the game since its inception." It was written into the rule book in formally in 1922 that fighting would result in a 5-minute major penalty, but had been a part of the game in Canada for years before.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 20, 2012 11:42am
Essentially what I was trying to say.gorocks99;1122028 wrote:That's fair.
BTW, the answer that probably won't satisfy everyone but is (IMO) the correct one is "because its been a part of the game since its inception." It was written into the rule book in formally in 1922 that fighting would result in a 5-minute major penalty, but had been a part of the game in Canada for years before.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 20, 2012 11:45am
The short answer is - because its part of the game
The long answer is - stop trying to bring race into everything.
The long answer is - stop trying to bring race into everything.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Mar 20, 2012 12:09pm
the hat trick of hockey fights= 3 at once
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 20, 2012 12:13pm
This.bases_loaded;1122034 wrote:The short answer is - because its part of the game
The long answer is - stop trying to bring race into everything.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 20, 2012 12:16pm
Jemelle Hill and LeCharles Bentley say differently.bases_loaded;1122034 wrote:The short answer is - because its part of the game
The long answer is - stop trying to bring race into everything.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 20, 2012 12:17pm
Because derpGblock;1122006 wrote:the only sports you cant fight in are the predominantly black ones. i get the rules for hockey and why its allowed but your example doesnt take into account the disproportionate amount of the suspension you would get in nfl/nba for a simple fight.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 20, 2012 12:22pm
In one sport, it's "legal" to fight.Gblock;1122006 wrote:the only sports you cant fight in are the predominantly black ones. i get the rules for hockey and why its allowed but your example doesnt take into account the disproportionate amount of the suspension you would get in nfl/nba for a simple fight.
In the others, it's not.
Why is that so hard? It has NOTHING to do with race.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 20, 2012 12:22pm
Unless you're a superstar like Andre Johnson then you can get away with itGblock;1122006 wrote:t the disproportionate amount of the suspension you would get in nfl simple fight.
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Gblock
Mar 20, 2012 12:33pm
no sense of humor today i see
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Mar 20, 2012 12:34pm
The correct answer is that the NBA sucks.