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Heretic

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Feb 23, 2012 5:26 PM
chicago510;1094008 wrote:Ryan Braun just won his appeal of his suspension. He will not be suspended.

Unreal. This has never happened before under the MLB testing. How will this affect his legacy?

IMO, we need facts on why he won. I can't just be like "oh ok he must not have taken steroids".
DAMN IT!
Feb 23, 2012 5:26pm
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Feb 23, 2012 5:28 PM
Per the JSOnline article, the case turned not on the results of the test, but the testing process itself. Braun did exhibit abnormally high testosterone levels, but won his appeal based on an argument that the process by which players are tested was/is flawed.
Feb 23, 2012 5:28pm
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Feb 23, 2012 5:29 PM
Well, we'll be able to tell alot this year based on his numbers. He will be tested like crazy, so anything he maybe was taking won't be an option anymore.

If there is a tangible drop off in his production, winning appeal or not people will know all they need to about his innocence.
Feb 23, 2012 5:29pm
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Feb 23, 2012 5:31 PM
I honestly don't think he did but you never know
Feb 23, 2012 5:31pm
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Feb 23, 2012 5:37 PM
swamisez;1094012 wrote:Per the JSOnline article, the case turned not on the results of the test, but the testing process itself. Braun did exhibit abnormally high testosterone levels, but won his appeal based on an argument that the process by which players are tested was/is flawed.

That's complete bullshit. If the system is flawed, ok. But he still failed. Unreal.
Feb 23, 2012 5:37pm
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Feb 23, 2012 6:07 PM
Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering, didn't argue anything about science being wrong but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that Braun did not dispute the science but rather questioned chain of custody/collection procedure.
According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to FedEx/Kinkos for shipping but thought it was closed because it was late on a Saturday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it refrigerated. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.
LOL, GTFO. Im sure the dude added some extra Testosterone while it was in his fridge.
Feb 23, 2012 6:07pm
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Feb 23, 2012 7:14 PM
IggyPride00;1094014 wrote:Well, we'll be able to tell alot this year based on his numbers. He will be tested like crazy, so anything he maybe was taking won't be an option anymore.

If there is a tangible drop off in his production, winning appeal or not people will know all they need to about his innocence.
Not really. Plenty of MVP's have had a drop off in production after their MVP season. It will be even tougher for Braun to repeat his production without Fielder in the lineup.
Feb 23, 2012 7:14pm
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Feb 23, 2012 7:21 PM
It will be even tougher for Braun to repeat his production without Fielder in the lineup.
Or PED's, whichever you attribute the drop off to.
Feb 23, 2012 7:21pm
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Feb 23, 2012 7:58 PM
I'm sure that, with Fielder gone, Braun will be pitched to differently. I don't know how I feel about this. It would seem that, in light of all the doping that has gone on before, any player, much less a star, wouldn't risk a 50-game suspension and the stain which accompanies it throughout his career. Braun had never tested positive before, so I have a problem with the positive sample just showing up out of thin air.

The fact that the results weren't disputed but the process was tells me that he got off on a technicality. It's kinda like a criminal getting off because he wasn't read his Miranda rights at the time of arrest.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding or, in this case, in his numbers this year.
Feb 23, 2012 7:58pm
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Feb 23, 2012 9:19 PM
stlouiedipalma;1094141 wrote: The fact that the results weren't disputed but the process was tells me that he got off on a technicality. It's kinda like a criminal getting off because he wasn't read his Miranda rights at the time of arrest.
Exactly. His T/E ratio was 20:1 :laugh:
Feb 23, 2012 9:19pm
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Feb 24, 2012 2:09 PM
What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?

1. The stress of the investigation.

2. Taking the PED needle away?

Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
Feb 24, 2012 2:09pm
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Feb 24, 2012 2:11 PM
IggyPride00;1094763 wrote:What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?

1. The stress of the investigation.

2. Taking the PED needle away?

Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
You do realize that 'Sports Pickle" is a satirical site, correct? That interview wasn't serious.
Feb 24, 2012 2:11pm
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Feb 24, 2012 3:52 PM
IggyPride00;1094763 wrote:What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?

1. The stress of the investigation.

2. Taking the PED needle away?

Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
Feb 24, 2012 3:52pm
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Feb 24, 2012 4:16 PM
BR1986FB;1094764 wrote:You do realize that 'Sports Pickle" is a satirical site, correct? That interview wasn't serious.
And this is why I've always loved satirical sites!
Feb 24, 2012 4:16pm
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Feb 24, 2012 5:17 PM
If the reports are true Braun would have tested 3 times more testosterone levels than anyone thats ever been tested. Someone had to of messed with the sample cause that's just ridiculous
Feb 24, 2012 5:17pm
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stlouiedipalma

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Feb 24, 2012 11:37 PM
Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
Feb 24, 2012 11:37pm
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Feb 25, 2012 1:44 PM
stlouiedipalma;1095171 wrote:Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
That's how they know you are using PEDs. Not new. You are thinking of the test for Human Growth Hormone probably?
Feb 25, 2012 1:44pm
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Feb 26, 2012 4:10 PM
Joel Zumaya....torn UCL, out for the season.
Feb 26, 2012 4:10pm
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Feb 26, 2012 11:13 PM
stlouiedipalma;1095171 wrote:Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
In baseball, or generally speaking in medicine?
Feb 26, 2012 11:13pm
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Feb 26, 2012 11:38 PM
Ironman92;1096518 wrote:Joel Zumaya....torn UCL, out for the season.
:thumbdown:Too bad that guy could never keep it together injury wise
Feb 26, 2012 11:38pm
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Feb 27, 2012 6:35 PM
Saw on twitter Freddie Freemen increased his bench press this offseason from 165 to 256

He could only BP 165???
Feb 27, 2012 6:35pm
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Feb 27, 2012 7:10 PM
That was the first thought I had when I saw that. I guess bench pressing doesn't necessarily help with hitting a ball, but still that's pretty sad.
Feb 27, 2012 7:10pm