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stlouiedipalma

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Feb 8, 2012 5:29 PM
Interesting...

"Voter Fraud" is another of the code words used by the GOP in their ongoing effort to restrict voters and manipulate election laws and rules to better favor their agenda. It's laughable that one of their own has been caught.
Feb 8, 2012 12:29pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Feb 8, 2012 7:09 PM
stlouiedipalma;1079663 wrote:Interesting...

"Voter Fraud" is another of the code words used by the GOP in their ongoing effort to restrict voters and manipulate election laws and rules to better favor their agenda. It's laughable that one of their own has been caught.
It's also a term used by people who want nothing more than limiting voting to those legally eligible to vote. I'm amazed and saddened that there are seemingly a fairly large number of people who put winnning above the rules in this context.
Feb 8, 2012 2:09pm
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stlouiedipalma

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Feb 9, 2012 5:13 PM
queencitybuckeye;1079842 wrote:It's also a term used by people who want nothing more than limiting voting to those legally eligible to vote. I'm amazed and saddened that there are seemingly a fairly large number of people who put winnning above the rules in this context.

That sounds like the Republicans who have been screaming about alleged voter fraud for years. It's just another Republican myth, like telling a lie so long that people begin to believe it, like telling everyone that Democrats are soft on national security and that they (the Republicans) are looking out for the middle class.

The R's have been masters at using the fear card for decades. It has been their trump card when they haven't got anything else to sway the voters. This is just another of their weapons from their bag of tricks, designed to convince the voting public that some bogeyman is cheating at the polls, never identifying any specific cases but throwing it out there as if it goes on all the time. If you can show me that voter fraud is so prevalent, I could understand the argument for voter I.D. laws. The problem is, you can't.
Feb 9, 2012 12:13pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Feb 9, 2012 5:28 PM
stlouiedipalma;1081051 wrote:That sounds like the Republicans who have been screaming about alleged voter fraud for years. It's just another Republican myth, like telling a lie so long that people begin to believe it, like telling everyone that Democrats are soft on national security and that they (the Republicans) are looking out for the middle class.

The R's have been masters at using the fear card for decades. It has been their trump card when they haven't got anything else to sway the voters. This is just another of their weapons from their bag of tricks, designed to convince the voting public that some bogeyman is cheating at the polls, never identifying any specific cases but throwing it out there as if it goes on all the time. If you can show me that voter fraud is so prevalent, I could understand the argument for voter I.D. laws. The problem is, you can't.
Is that really your best argument? That we can't implement reasonable processes to catch cheaters because we have no current way to catch cheaters, even though only fools and liars deny their existence ?

What is a practical reason not to require someone claiming to be a registered voter to provide reasonable proof?
Feb 9, 2012 12:28pm
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Feb 9, 2012 6:01 PM
queencitybuckeye;1081066 wrote:Is that really your best argument? That we can't implement reasonable processes to catch cheaters because we have no current way to catch cheaters, even though only fools and liars deny their existence ?

What is a practical reason not to require someone claiming to be a registered voter to provide reasonable proof?
Reasonable proof like a utility bill or a car registration that says you live where you claim to?

I think that they should demonsrtrate a problem with voter fraud before passing laws to fix a problem that hardly exists...
Feb 9, 2012 1:01pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Feb 9, 2012 6:13 PM
Devils Advocate;1081117 wrote:Reasonable proof like a utility bill or a car registration that says you live where you claim to?
Reasonable proof that you are the person you're claiming to be.
I think that they should demonsrtrate a problem with voter fraud before passing laws to fix a problem that hardly exists...
The circular logic argument again. Your statment is not accurate. You do not know the extent of the problem. You do not know, you cannot know.
Feb 9, 2012 1:13pm
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Feb 9, 2012 6:20 PM
queencitybuckeye;1081131 wrote:Reasonable proof that you are the person you're claiming to be.



The circular logic argument again. Your statment is not accurate. You do not know the extent of the problem. You do not know, you cannot know.
If you cannot know, then how do you know that it's a problem?
Feb 9, 2012 1:20pm
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Feb 9, 2012 6:35 PM
Devils Advocate;1081145 wrote:If you cannot know, then how do you know that it's a problem?
Numerous cases are reported each election.
Feb 9, 2012 1:35pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Feb 9, 2012 6:37 PM
Devils Advocate;1081145 wrote:If you cannot know, then how do you know that it's a problem?

Define the level at which it becomes a problem, as we know (not think) that it happens.
Feb 9, 2012 1:37pm
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Feb 9, 2012 7:35 PM
queencitybuckeye;1081159 wrote:Define the level at which it becomes a problem, as we know (not think) that it happens.
The circular logic argument again. Your statment is not accurate. You do not know the extent of the problem. You do not know, you cannot know.
Your statement ... Not mine
Feb 9, 2012 2:35pm
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Feb 9, 2012 7:44 PM
Devils Advocate;1081232 wrote:Your statement ... Not mine
No statement, it was a question. At what level of cheating would you consider said cheating to be a problem?
Feb 9, 2012 2:44pm
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Feb 9, 2012 9:23 PM
queencitybuckeye;1081246 wrote:No statement, it was a question. At what level of cheating would you consider said cheating to be a problem?
As noted in the OP, Any fraud is a problem.

There have been laws in place to curtail fraud for as long as we have been voting. I see no need for new intrusive laws. Let's enforce the ones that we have.

Picture ID's wont solve the problem. I would think that the Indiana Lt. Governor in the OP has one.

If there is a fraud problem, I would assume that it would be in the early/absentee balloting. Many people have dual state citizenship, and would easily have the opportunity to vote in two states.
Feb 9, 2012 4:23pm
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stlouiedipalma

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Feb 11, 2012 6:24 AM
As expected, those who would suppress voters' rights cannot cite even one example of voter fraud to back up their claims. It's a classic example of the "fear card".
Feb 11, 2012 1:24am
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Feb 11, 2012 12:26 PM
stlouiedipalma;1082776 wrote:As expected, those who would suppress voters' rights cannot cite even one example of voter fraud to back up their claims. It's a classic example of the "fear card".
Perhaps that's because many of us vote in jurisdictions where voter fraud is nearly impossible. I always had to show my driver's license at the polls after registering with a valid SSN. It is idiot proof.

From what I understand, in other jurisdictions where "derp" can sign up as "derp" and bring in a utility bill that says "derp", it is certainly possible.

I have never understood why people think that requiring a valid ID at the polls is objectionable. I need to board an airplane, purchase certain products, heck even need a credit card to make reservations.
Feb 11, 2012 7:26am
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Feb 11, 2012 12:56 PM
stlouiedipalma;1082776 wrote:As expected, those who would suppress voters' rights cannot cite even one example of voter fraud to back up their claims. It's a classic example of the "fear card".
You do realize this thread is an example of voter fraud right?
plus:
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html
http://abcnewspapers.com/2011/02/12/andover-woman-charged-for-2008-voter-fraud/
Feb 11, 2012 7:56am
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Feb 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1082808 wrote:I have never understood why people think that requiring a valid ID at the polls is objectionable. I need to board an airplane, purchase certain products, heck even need a credit card to make reservations.
Spot on. But ask a Dem to agree to showing a valid photo ID at the polls and suddenly they become concerned about "government interference" in our lives. SMH

Nearly every important legal and financial transaction we enter into requires identification. Why is it, then, that the very important activity of casting votes is met with such severe resistance by the Democrats in particular?

The answer: Because when illegals, the dead, and dual voting occurs those "votes" almost always go to the Democratic candidate.

Perhaps voting fraud isn't a huge problem, but it exists and it serves to insure Democratic victories in Democratic strongholds.

It's nothing new. Union thugs in the Chicago Democratic Political Machine, for example, have been employing such tactics for a long, long time.
Feb 11, 2012 8:03am
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Feb 14, 2012 1:58 AM
Glory Days;1082817 wrote:You do realize this thread is an example of voter fraud right?
plus:
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html
http://abcnewspapers.com/2011/02/12/andover-woman-charged-for-2008-voter-fraud/

Voter fraud it seems to be. Let's see, one of your stories documented 47 cases out of over 650,000 ballots cast (all felons who voted illegally) and the other was for one woman. Pretty prevalent fraud goin' on in the land of 1000 lakes. I'll bet that has the R's up at nights, doesn't it?

Those filthy cheating bastard Democrats. How dare they organize felons and a woman? Have they no shame?
Feb 13, 2012 8:58pm
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Feb 14, 2012 2:10 AM
believer;1082820 wrote:

Perhaps voting fraud isn't a huge problem, but it exists and it serves to insure Democratic victories in Democratic strongholds.
Except when it's done by a Republican Secretary of State....
Feb 13, 2012 9:10pm
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Feb 14, 2012 2:19 AM
Or by the Maine GOP.
Feb 13, 2012 9:19pm
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Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM
Cleveland Buck;1085151 wrote:Or by the Maine GOP.
Yeah....the Maine GOP brought in bus loads of dead Repubs to keep Uncle Paul from winning. :rolleyes:
Feb 14, 2012 5:51am
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Feb 16, 2012 9:18 PM
believer;1085437 wrote:Yeah....the Maine GOP brought in bus loads of dead Repubs to keep Uncle Paul from winning. :rolleyes:


No they are just ignoring peoples votes altogether.
Feb 16, 2012 4:18pm
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Feb 16, 2012 9:39 PM
pmoney25;1087982 wrote:No they are just ignoring peoples votes altogether.
Kinda like 1999 Florida :)
Feb 16, 2012 4:39pm
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Feb 16, 2012 10:33 PM
pmoney25;1087982 wrote:No they are just ignoring peoples votes altogether.
proof?
Feb 16, 2012 5:33pm
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Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM
believer;1088056 wrote:proof?

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Feb 17, 2012 10:28am