Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 6:22pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7540856/curtis-martin-cortez-kennedy-chris-doleman-lead-2012-pro-football-hall-fame-class
Inductees were Curtis Martin, Cortez Kennedy, Chris Doleman, Dermontti Dawson, Willie Roaf, and Jack Butler.
Cant' believe Carter was screwed again. It really is getting ridiculous at this point. The whole thing with the HOF and wide receivers has always baffled me.
Inductees were Curtis Martin, Cortez Kennedy, Chris Doleman, Dermontti Dawson, Willie Roaf, and Jack Butler.
Cant' believe Carter was screwed again. It really is getting ridiculous at this point. The whole thing with the HOF and wide receivers has always baffled me.
IggyPride00
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Feb 4, 2012 6:41pm
Andre Reed, Cris Carter, and Tim Brown were some of the best receivers of that generation. How none of them are in yet is mind boggling.
Tigerfan00
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Feb 4, 2012 7:18pm
I have a feeling the only reason Bettis didnt make it this year was due there already being 2 Steelers making it this year.
Cris Carter is a hot topic on Twitter right now
Its getting to be a logjam at the WR spot with Carter, Brown and Reed and Marvin Harrison will be eligible soon too.
Cris Carter is a hot topic on Twitter right now
Its getting to be a logjam at the WR spot with Carter, Brown and Reed and Marvin Harrison will be eligible soon too.
IggyPride00
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Feb 4, 2012 7:44pm
It's really hard to make a case for Martin being in when none of those receivers are, as he was no more dominant at his position during that era than any of those 3 receivers were.
He was consistent, but rarely spectacular. If that is the standard for getting in the Hall, then more receivers should be in.
He was consistent, but rarely spectacular. If that is the standard for getting in the Hall, then more receivers should be in.
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:13pm
I would go as far as to say Martin didn't even deserve to get in over Jerome Bettis.
justincredible
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Feb 4, 2012 8:22pm
That's absurd. Martin has more yards and more TDs in 2 fewer seasons.Y-Town Steelhound;1075340 wrote:I would go as far as to say Martin didn't even deserve to get in over Jerome Bettis.
ytownfootball
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Feb 4, 2012 8:24pm
44 media panel members voted...
Martin played in Boston and New York...
The math isn't that hard
Martin played in Boston and New York...
The math isn't that hard
justincredible
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Feb 4, 2012 8:27pm
Martin (11 seasons) vs Bettis (13 seasons)
Touchdowns
Martin - 100 (90 rushing, 10 receiving)
Bettis - 94 (91 rushing, 3 receiving)
Yards
Martin - 17,430 (14,101 rushing, 3,329 receiving)
Bettis - 15,111 (13,662 rushing, 1,449 receiving)
Yards/attempt
Martin - 4.0
Bettis - 3.9
Yards/game
Martin - 83.9
Bettis - 71.2
Touchdowns
Martin - 100 (90 rushing, 10 receiving)
Bettis - 94 (91 rushing, 3 receiving)
Yards
Martin - 17,430 (14,101 rushing, 3,329 receiving)
Bettis - 15,111 (13,662 rushing, 1,449 receiving)
Yards/attempt
Martin - 4.0
Bettis - 3.9
Yards/game
Martin - 83.9
Bettis - 71.2
Skyhook79
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Feb 4, 2012 8:30pm
I Lol'd.Y-Town Steelhound;1075340 wrote:I would go as far as to say Martin didn't even deserve to get in over Jerome Bettis.
Skyhook79
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Feb 4, 2012 8:32pm
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:33pm
What really stands out to me is Bettis' YPC being only .1 less than Martin despite the fact that Bettis was used so much more on short carry situations.justincredible;1075351 wrote:Martin (11 seasons) vs Bettis (13 seasons)
Touchdowns
Martin - 100 (90 rushing, 10 receiving)
Bettis - 94 (91 rushing, 3 receiving)
Yards
Martin - 17,430 (14,101 rushing, 3,329 receiving)
Bettis - 15,111 (13,662 rushing, 1,449 receiving)
Yards/attempt
Martin - 4.0
Bettis - 3.9
Yards/game
Martin - 83.9
Bettis - 71.2
justincredible
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Feb 4, 2012 8:34pm
Glad I wasn't the only one.Skyhook79;1075352 wrote:I Lol'd.
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:34pm
Per your usual well thought out rebuttals :rolleyes:Skyhook79;1075352 wrote:I Lol'd.
Also I'm not saying Curtis Martin isn't a Hall of Famer because he is. Just not sure he's 1st ballot especially over guys like Carter and Reed. Martin was a great back, but a lot of his success was based off of his longevity. Not that there is anything wrong with that but it certainly should be taken into account. You talk about the best power running backs in NFL history certainly names like Campbell and Brown come up but Bettis is in that conversation. With Martin, it was just about solid consistent production but nothing spectacular. I also factor Super Bowl rings into the evaluation, which Bettis has.
justincredible
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Feb 4, 2012 8:35pm
What really stands out to me is the fact that Martin has better statistics in every category. In two fewer seasons.Y-Town Steelhound;1075355 wrote:What really stands out to me is Bettis' YPC being only .1 less than Martin despite the fact that Bettis was used so much more on short carry situations.
Rotinaj
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Feb 4, 2012 8:36pm
Bettis is from Detroit.justincredible;1075348 wrote:That's absurd. Martin has more yards and more TDs in 2 fewer seasons.
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IggyPride00
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Feb 4, 2012 8:37pm
He literally spent the last 3 seasons of his career as a situation short yardage back. That is part of what hurts his per game/season stats. Had he walked away a few years earlier his numbers would in some ways look less watered down.Y-Town Steelhound;1075355 wrote:What really stands out to me is Bettis' YPC being only .1 less than Martin despite the fact that Bettis was used so much more on short carry situations.
Iliketurtles
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Feb 4, 2012 8:38pm
Yeah its crazy for anyone to say Bettis deserves to be over Martin. They are both great players but Martin was better. It's a crime that Carter didn't get in again.
justincredible
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Feb 4, 2012 8:39pm
I do agree that it's a shame Carter isn't in. I also think Bettis deserves to be in. But he wasn't more deserving than Martin.
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:40pm
Sorry for you John Hollinger types but I don't view stats as the be all end all of evaluating a player.
hasbeen
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Feb 4, 2012 8:45pm
Y-Town Steelhound;1075364 wrote:Sorry for you John Hollinger types but I don't view stats as the be all end all of evaluating a player.
Then what other than things makes you think jerome is better than martin?
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:46pm
Super Bowl Appearances/Rings: Bettis-2/1pnhasbeen;1075365 wrote:Then what other than things makes you think jerome is better than martin?
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:51pm
Well I already explained some of that already but it just always seemed like Bettis' teams relied on him more, the guy was a wrecking ball. Not to mention Bettis played in/won more Super Bowls and had more 1st team All-Pro selections as well as Pro Bowl selections. They're very close, I never said that Bettis was way better nor did I ever say Martin wasn't a Hall of Famer. Had I been voting I would've voted Bettis in first but again that's just me. They're certainly comparable.pnhasbeen;1075365 wrote:Then what other than things makes you think jerome is better than martin?
Bettis' role in his last few years really watered down his YPC and YPG numbers. Martin was faster so certainly he is going to have better overall yards based off of big runs and his receiving ability. My style of running back is just more of the pure runner and I thought Bettis was better in that regard particularly in his younger days.
Rotinaj
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Feb 4, 2012 8:52pm
He likes him better.
Y-Town Steelhound
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Feb 4, 2012 8:55pm
Right because that makes perfect sense since I'm a Browns fan :rolleyes:. My arguments hold up. Dan Marino has better stats than Joe Montana. Doesn't mean the person who thinks Montana was better is crazy.Rotinaj;1075374 wrote:He likes him better.
THE4RINGZ
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Feb 4, 2012 8:59pm
Dermonti Dawson is in. Hell yeah!