Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 1:55pm
I think that some OC individual have a poor conception of the complexity of having accuracy with a hand gun. Remember that the slightest movement of the barrel produces a greater degree of missing the target. Incidentally, the math on this at 15 feet a pistol canted just five degrees will miss a human sized target.</SPAN>
Who of the OC has actually has fired a pistol (9MM and up) at a target or object?
What is your proficiency level with a hand gun?
(At 18 feet what is your average grouping radius for 8 rounds in a 6” bull’s-eye target taking your time). We all know what happens with an inexperience shooter in a rapped fire situation.
Who of the OC has actually has fired a pistol (9MM and up) at a target or object?
What is your proficiency level with a hand gun?
(At 18 feet what is your average grouping radius for 8 rounds in a 6” bull’s-eye target taking your time). We all know what happens with an inexperience shooter in a rapped fire situation.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Jan 27, 2012 2:00pm
LOL. Jesus Belly! Quit starting a new thread for everything relevant to the guy with the crowbar thread!!!
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Gblock
Jan 27, 2012 2:02pm
i think people have a poor conception of the deadliness of a crowbar
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 2:10pm
Little less bitching what I do and a little more knowledge and you wouldn't be a nifoSnotBubbles;1067787 wrote:LOL. Jesus Belly! Quit starting a new thread for everything relevant to the guy with the crowbar thread!!!
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 27, 2012 2:18pm
I'm going shooting this weekend for the first time in years. Any tips? They have hand guns from 9mm all the way up .45s. I'd like to try a .40 but most likely will use a Glock 19 or Sig P226
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 27, 2012 2:29pm
Why 9mm and up? I usually shoot .22 just because it's so much cheaper. And I have no idea of grouping or targets. We just plink at pop cans or milk jugs.Belly35;1067783 wrote:I think that some OC individual have a poor conception of the complexity of having accuracy with a hand gun. Remember that the slightest movement of the barrel produces a greater degree of missing the target. Incidentally, the math on this at 15 feet a pistol canted just five degrees will miss a human sized target.
Who of the OC has actually has fired a pistol (9MM and up) at a target or object?
What is your proficiency level with a hand gun?
(At 18 feet what is your average grouping radius for 8 rounds in a 6” bull’s-eye target taking your time). We all know what happens with an inexperience shooter in a rapped fire situation.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 27, 2012 2:30pm
I knew a guy who was killed with a car muffler. I think you're underestimating the deadliness of a blow to the head with a metal object.Gblock;1067790 wrote:i think people have a poor conception of the deadliness of a crowbar
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 2:39pm
For a quick review go on YouTube (Todd Jarrett pistol shooting) for some quick pointer on how to hold the weapon, stances, shoulder position and trigger finger. Shooting a hand pistol like golf lots to remember and lot to perform just right for the perfect shoot and groupingRaw Dawgin' it;1067806 wrote:I'm going shooting this weekend for the first time in years. Any tips? They have hand guns from 9mm all the way up .45s. I'd like to try a .40 but most likely will use a Glock 19 or Sig P226
If you never fired a hand gun before I would suggest starting with a 9mm and get comfortable using it and work on getting a good grouping at 15 to 18 feet out.
I use a Sig P220 .45 try it before leaving the range …. 9MM vs .45 enjoy..
Just for fun rapped fire the Sig P220 .45 with a 8 rounds . You may not stay on target but you’ll go home feeling good.
DeadliestWarrior34
Posts: 3,101
Jan 27, 2012 2:39pm
I still think it was a sledgehammer.Gblock;1067790 wrote:i think people have a poor conception of the deadliness of a crowbar
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 2:43pm
I sometime will use a .22 also at the range for training. I suggested a 9mm because that is more of what is the weapon use for police and ccw in general.FatHobbit;1067813 wrote:Why 9mm and up? I usually shoot .22 just because it's so much cheaper. And I have no idea of grouping or targets. We just plink at pop cans or milk jugs.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 27, 2012 2:48pm
They have the P220 to rent. The only problem is you have to buy full boxes of ammo, so i might just stick to one gun. Depending how much the rounds are and if i can split a box with my buddy i'll try it.Belly35;1067829 wrote:For a quick review go on YouTube (Todd Jarrett pistol shooting) for some quick pointer on how to hold the weapon, stances, shoulder position and trigger finger. Shooting a hand pistol like golf lots to remember and lot to perform just right for the perfect shoot and grouping
If you never fired a hand gun before I would suggest starting with a 9mm and get comfortable using it and work on getting a good grouping at 15 to 18 feet out.
I use a Sig P220 .45 try it before leaving the range …. 9MM vs .45 enjoy..
Just for fun rapped fire the Sig P220 .45 with a 8 rounds . You may not stay on target but you’ll go home feeling good.
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Sonofanump
Jan 27, 2012 2:49pm
What is going to be epic is ETB's spin off of this thread.SnotBubbles;1067787 wrote:LOL. Jesus Belly! Quit starting a new thread for everything relevant to the guy with the crowbar thread!!!
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 27, 2012 2:51pm
Maybe a conduit bender?DeadliestWarrior34;1067831 wrote:I still think it was a sledgehammer.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 2:57pm
Raw Dawgin' it;1067838 wrote:They have the P220 to rent. The only problem is you have to buy full boxes of ammo, so i might just stick to one gun. Depending how much the rounds are and if i can split a box with my buddy i'll try it.
General pricing of a box of 50 rounds .45 is $20.00 / 21.00 ( I get then little cheaper at Kames)
What range are you going to?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 27, 2012 3:21pm
It was a utility bar
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 27, 2012 3:22pm
The kick of a .40 is a pain the ass. Stick to 9mm or .45.Raw Dawgin' it;1067806 wrote:I'm going shooting this weekend for the first time in years. Any tips? They have hand guns from 9mm all the way up .45s. I'd like to try a .40 but most likely will use a Glock 19 or Sig P226
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 27, 2012 3:24pm
I'm a 3" group at 10 yards and 5" at 25 yards. If I can't hit that with a gun within 250 rounds, I sell the gun.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 27, 2012 4:14pm
Really? That good shooting What your pistol?LJ;1067864 wrote:I'm a 3" group at 10 yards and 5" at 25 yards. If I can't hit that with a gun within 250 rounds, I sell the gun.
I never when beyond 35 feet .
At 15 feet my 8 round grouping is bullseye but just a little low/left of center, frustrated but I'm good with that.
At 35 feet still a good grouping 3" or so and still low/left a bit more..
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jan 27, 2012 6:09pm
Belly35;1067783 wrote:I think that some OC individual have a poor conception of the complexity of having accuracy with a hand gun. Remember that the slightest movement of the barrel produces a greater degree of missing the target. Incidentally, the math on this at 15 feet a pistol canted just five degrees will miss a human sized target.
Who of the OC has actually has fired a pistol (9MM and up) at a target or object?
What is your proficiency level with a hand gun?
(At 18 feet what is your average grouping radius for 8 rounds in a 6” bull’s-eye target taking your time). We all know what happens with an inexperience shooter in a rapped fire situation.
Have fired various hand guns of different caliber. Totally agree with you, they take a lot of practice.
I'd think anyone who's responsibilities include carrying a gun would take the necessary time to practice and become a marksman.
I know plenty of individuals who are not law enforcement officers with excellent hand gun skills. Not sure how many of them have been in a situation where their target was also armed and aiming back.
power i
Posts: 1,296
Jan 27, 2012 8:40pm
I shot my husband's 9mm once. That was enough. Have no clue how accurate I was but I know how to load it and if you break in my house when he's not here, I will shoot it in your general direction. I think that's good enough.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 28, 2012 10:24am
That work! :laugh: Nothing like a few rounds in the general direction to bring some sence to a stupid individualpower i;1068078 wrote:I shot my husband's 9mm once. That was enough. Have no clue how accurate I was but I know how to load it and if you break in my house when he's not here, I will shoot it in your general direction. I think that's good enough.
password
Posts: 2,360
Jan 28, 2012 10:47am
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=senceBelly35;1068361 wrote:That work! :laugh: Nothing like a few rounds in the general direction to bring some sence to a stupid individual
| sence: | |
| 1. This is how idiots spell sense, since they have no sense, they can't fucking spell it. 2. This misspelled word is also a form of since according to some idiot - English translations. <INSERT here MMORPG any>chat: Idiot: That doesn't make sence! Me: YOU don't make sense! "SENCE" IS NOT A FUCKING WORD, MORON |
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 28, 2012 10:50am
password;1068370 wrote:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sence
sence: 1. This is how idiots spell sense, since they have no sense, they can't fucking spell it.
2. This misspelled word is also a form of since according to some idiot - English translations.
<INSERT any MMORPG here>chat:
Idiot: That doesn't make sence!
Me: YOU don't make sense! "SENCE" IS NOT A FUCKING WORD, MORON
Thanks for the correction you nifo :laugh:
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Jan 28, 2012 10:56am
Good point in the original post, Belly! BRF has fired hand guns and not very successfully on the accuracy part. You are right, most people don't realize. I read somewhere that even police in a close-in shoot out have a hit percentage of only around 60%.
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BAMABUCK
Posts: 53
Jan 28, 2012 12:38pm
I shoot a couple of pistols quite often.I agree it is hard to be a crack shot with any hand gun.Practice is the key.I shoot two revolvers in .357 and a SW 9mm and a 1911 in .45ACP. I tend to shoot the 9 and my carry .357 the most because ammo is affordable and they are what I carry(read:can actually be concealed and comfortable to wear 12-14 hours a day). At the range I frequent the pistol berm is 10 meters posted but right at 28 feet in reality. 4-6 inch groups from varying positions is my norm with my strong hand, weak hand is less than acceptable but I am working on it. Muscle memory and sight picture are key in accuracy and can only be accomplished by lotsa' lead down range. By the way I practice with .38 special in my stubbie but always finish off any session with a cylinder of 158gr personal defence rounds in .357 cause thats whats in the tube for protection purposes.