A lot of those "debates" are a joke. Tuck was fucking fumble. Will tiger win another major, well we will actually know that. Way to try and cater to dumbasses BSPN. Who should get more credit, again who gives a shit. They're all amazing. One's a top 3 coach, ones the best player ever, and ones a top 10 player of all time. They'll all get credit, this whole credit thing is BS to begin with.

Commander of Awesome;1198661 wrote:A lot of those "debates" are a joke. Tuck was fucking fumble. Will tiger win another major, well we will actually know that. Way to try and cater to dumbasses BSPN. Who should get more credit, again who gives a shit. They're all amazing. One's a top 3 coach, ones the best player ever, and ones a top 10 player of all time. They'll all get credit, this whole credit thing is BS to begin with.

Way to fuck a great thread with that comment.

/OneBuckeye

Ok. This is from Grossi so no need to blow a gasket...

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1275

^^ well atleast they appear faster. now just catch the fucking ball. it isn't that hard.

Kirwin & Ryan had Josh Cribbs on Sirius XM this afternoon. Not a whole lot of substance. He raved about Weeden. Also said he felt that McCoy was playing well and that if he was the backup, sitting & learning might help his career progression. Also had a lot of good things to say about Travis Benjamin. Also talking about the bus deal to Omaha for Kent State and the college WS.

I would not care if Weeden threw 20 int(s) this year as long as he was progressing, taking risks to learn and not getting beat down.

Any interest?

Evan Silva ‏ @ evansilva Per @ LanceZierlein, "rumors started circulating in league circles" that the # Packers are willing to trade James Jones: http://******/Ms5qgk

Evan Silva ‏ @ evansilva James Jones = logical trade candidate. $ cost not prohibitive ($2.5M in salary & bonus). 28yo. Drops have been issue but playmaking ability.

Def interested, depending on the price. He'd prob be our #2.

Yup we definitely need another guy with drop issues.

BR1986FB;1199392 wrote:Any interest?

Evan Silva ‏ @ evansilva Per @ LanceZierlein, "rumors started circulating in league circles" that the # Packers are willing to trade James Jones: http://******/Ms5qgk

Evan Silva ‏ @ evansilva James Jones = logical trade candidate. $ cost not prohibitive ($2.5M in salary & bonus). 28yo. Drops have been issue but playmaking ability.

They've expressed interest in Colt and we need playmakers... Let's start negotiations

like_that;1199397 wrote:Yup we definitely need another guy with drop issues.

Yeah, but now we have Peyton Manning 2.0 throwing to our receivers...there will be zero drops this year!

like_that;1199397 wrote:Yup we definitely need another guy with drop issues.

We also need WRs to stretch the field, and run NFL routes. Least he can do that. Something only Little, can do atm on our team.

wes_mantooth;1199424 wrote:Yeah, but now we have Peyton Manning 2.0 throwing to our receivers...there will be zero drops this year!

I don't think anyone realistically thinks that Weeden will be "Peyton Manning 2.0" but he will be light years better than the pieces of crap they've had back there recently.

BR1986FB;1199431 wrote:I don't think anyone realistically thinks that Weeden will be "Peyton Manning 2.0" but he will be light years better than the pieces of crap they've had back there recently.

Reps

BR1986FB;1199431 wrote:I don't think anyone realistically thinks that Weeden will be "Peyton Manning 2.0" but he will be light years better than the pieces of crap they've had back there recently.

this

Holmgren had a 58 minute press conference this afternoon. Some of it included that he plans on being more visible this year (said he takes it 'personal" that people think he doesn't care and that this is his last job and he wants to turn things around), the Browns WILL wear the brown jerseys at home this year (depending on the heat) and that there are no plans to trade/release McCoy or Wallace. If I get more I'll post it.

BR1986FB;1199897 wrote:Holmgren had a 58 minute press conference this afternoon. Some of it included that he plans on being more visible this year (said he takes it 'personal" that people think he doesn't care and that this is his last job and he wants to turn things around), the Browns WILL wear the brown jerseys at home this year (depending on the heat) and that there are no plans to trade/release McCoy or Wallace. If I get more I'll post it.

That's 3 more wins at the very least there.

Does anybody know when they will start selling single game tickets?

No clue, but I'm so glad they abandoned the whole all white BS. That's just not the Browns. Nuff said.

He said they WILL wear all whites at some home games this year. I'm assuming that will be earlier in the season when it's hotter. Make the road team wear their colors to absorb the heat. Browns can use ANY advantage they can get.

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren: team tracks practice dropped
passes; they're better catching this year but young guys struggle a bit; expects
WRs 2 be better

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren on rumor team for sale "The
Browns are not for sale; I talk to Randy all the time & I would assume he'd
tell me; no."

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren said he shouldn't have said "5-11
wasn't acceptable"; 4-12 is worse wont get specific about record but expect to
make a jump

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren says Shurmur much more comfortable
in his role this year as HC; he had a lot of things to deal w/ last year you
don't normally have

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren - "Our defense really did a
nice job last year, now we just have to score more
points"

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren on rare rookie QB & RB combo "If
you have to do it, these are the two young men I'd want to do it
with"

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren on relationship w/ Jim Brown: was 1 of my
childhood hero's; understands Jim upset his role changed; would welcome him w/
open arms

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren thinks WRs were open a bit last year
but QB didn't get them the ball; don;t have great speed but good speed; likes
Benjamin a lot

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren said what I've been saying all
along - Mo Massaquoi hadn't recovered from Harrison hit; thinks he's over it now
& healthy

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren says you can get mad @ him about
anything but he's sensitive & bothered by those who say he doesn't care or
isn't committed here

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren "This is my last job; it
is my hope that this is turned around and headed in the right
direction"

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren admits the negative perception of
him why he's going to be more visible/available this
year

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren admits they should've hired an offensive
coordinator last year but they couldn't hire the guy they
wanted

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren says the Brown jerseys return this year
- rejoice!

@RuiterWrongFAN: Holmgren says they'll split between all white
& brown jersey's w/ white pants @home; added weather will be factor - likely
white when hot



Holmgren: Biggest measuring stick is
wins
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

Team president Mike Holmgren on how he’ll measure improvement this year: “The
first thing is record. Then things we did poorly last year, like drops, running
game productivity, not as many sacks, more interceptions ... those are
measurable that will tell you if the team is doing things right.”

4 minutes ago


Holmgren expects Brown to make
'healthy jump' in wins this year






by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

Team president Mike Holmgren said he regretted upon arriving in Cleveland
saying that a 5-11 record was unacceptable. Then he reiterated it. “I shouldn’t
have said that. Honestly, of course it’s not acceptable. I would say the same
thing now. I told the coaches I expect us to take a healthy jump this year.” The
Browns regressed to 4-12 in 2011.

5 minutes ago CBSSports.com







Holmgren: QB Weeden has potential to
start
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

Team president Mike Holmgren on what makes him believe in rookie QB Brandon
Weeden: “He passes the ball very well, does it easily, has good velocity ... but
you can't discount his maturity. He’s as prepared to start as a rookie as any
quarterback I’ve seen in a long time.”

14 minutes ago CBSSports.com







Holmgren praises Shurmur
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

President Mike Holmgren on coach Pat Shurmur: “He told me today that it makes
such a difference having an offseason program and minicamps. He’s much more
comfortable in his role. He knows his players and they know him.”

18 minutes ago CBSSports.com







Cleveland to wear brown uniforms this
year
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

The Browns have given in to fan demand and will bring back the brown uniforms
in 2012. They will wear the brown jerseys at home, except when the heat
motivates them to don the all-white.

21 minutes ago CBSSports.com







Holmgren: How good are RB
Richardson's blocking skills?
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

Team president Mike Holmgren on his expectations of rookie RB Trent
Richardson. “As a runner the transition to come into the league is as easy as
any position on the team. Running is kind of instinctual. You get hit in
college. The learning curve is not as great. His challenge is as a pass
blocker.”

29 minutes ago CBSSports.com







Holmgren: No plan to trade or release
McCoy, Wallace
by Marty Gitlin, CBSSports.com

There is no plan to trade or release Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace. “The
[last] two years we had to go to our third quarterback because of injury,” team
president Mike Holmgren said. Wallace said he would &#8220robably not” accept being
relegated to the third spot.



One of the things that I didn't see mentioned was Holmgren's assessment of the receivers. Yes, he said they had their drops but he also said to say they "weren't open downfield" was false. He said "they were open, we just didn't get them the ball." When asked about all of the short routes (check downs) he said that "the receivers were open (implying downfield) the quarterback just chose to throw those passes." Read into that what you want but I REALLY don't think the receivers were as bad as advertised. I expect them to pleasantly surprise people this year.

Hopefully the WR corp will improve this year.

But, leading the NFL in drops 2 straight years is about as shitty as you can get.

Holmgren's Take
		By [URL="javascript:location.href='http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22' + author + '%22&sssiteid=149&type=2';"]Fred Greetham[/URL] OBR Senior Browns Reporter Posted Jun 14, 2012 Browns president meets with media, talks QBs, his role, brown jerseys 2 Comments
BEREA—Mike Holmgren addressed the media before the Browns go into the slow time before training camp starts up in late July. Holmgren answered a variety of questions on a variety of topics. Here are some of the highlights. Q: Do you plan on moving one of the quarterbacks before training camp?: Holmgren: “Right now, the plan is not to. The first two years, we’ve had to go to the third quarterback because of injury. Something might happen as we approach training camp or go through camp. “Between now and the start of the season, we’re going to be talking about a lot of things. I think we’ll be open to listening to a lot of things Q: Have you seen enough to think Brandon Weeden can be the Browns franchise quarterback?: Holmgren: “That term is a tough term. A franchise quarterback? Are we talking Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? He’s a rookie and if you pick a player in the first round you are saying something. In saying that, nothing is handed to him, but he is going to have to show us where he has to come in and play.” Q: Do you think the starter should be named now?: Holmgren: “Right now, it’s a healthy competition and at some point moving forward you have to name one. Pat was asked and he said ‘We’re not ready.’ “I don’t know and don’t think anyone can tell you, but when the time comes at some point you have to make the decision to get the guy ready for the regular season.” Q: Could it be a potential problem to have all three quarterbacks still on the team at the start of the regular season?: Holmgren: “I don’t think so. Whoever the third quarterback is, he gets his feathers ruffled a little bit because they’re all competitors and they’ve all played. “You make decisions and there’s ways to do (avoid controversy). You should be able to avoid them.” Q: You’ve said you are not a proponent of having a quarterback controversy. Have you changed your mind on that?: Holmgren: “I have not had a change of heart. In our situation, Colt hasn’t played much, Seneca has played and Brandon is an older rookie. I’m more of the mindset to let it play out. When you draft a quarterback in the first round, you draft him to play, but when he does is the question.” Q: With the possibility of Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden starting as rookies, how unusual is that?: Holmgren: “It is a unique situation but if you have to do it these two young men are two that can do it. Trent, as a runner, running is running and the learning curve isn’t as great. His challenge will be as a pass blocker and he can certainly handle it. The quarterback, to have a rookie quarterback, will be a challenge. He is going to see things he hasn’t seen. A good running game will certainly help the quarterback. You can certainly help young players with your game plan.” Q: What has impressed you most about Weeden thus far?: Holmgren: “He has the skill level to play and is able to pass the ball. He has the maturity level because of his age and after playing baseball, played football. He is as prepared to start as a rookie as any quarterback I’ve seen in a long time.” Q: What do you see as his biggest adjustment?: Holmgren: “His biggest adjustment is playing under center as he didn’t do that in college. He seems to be a fast learner and seems to have absorbed the play book pretty quickly.” Q: What type of record do you expect this year?: Holmgren: “I don’t want to make the same mistake to put a number on it. I expect us to take a good healthy jump this year (in record),” Holmgren said. “I know we’re a better team. We have a good off-season and we are more talented.” Q: Do you see the receivers to make a bigger jump this year?: Holmgren: “Besides Greg Little, who I think will take a big jump this year. He had too many dropped balls last year and I think he’s corrected those. I think (Mohamed) Massaquoi will make a big jump. I don’t think he will admit this but I think getting a (concussion) last year set him back. He’s healthy now and he can play. I like (Travis) Benjamin. You factor (Josh) Cribbs in there, as well.” Q. Are the Browns for sale?: Holmgren: “The Browns are not for sale. I talk to Randy all the time and I assume he would tell me. There’s no truth to that.” Q: Do you think Colt McCoy has been fairly evaluated?: Holmgren: “It was hard. He got knocked around and it wasn’t fair. What was fair is, he got to play and how did he handle it? Moving forward, I like Colt McCoy, I’ve made no secrets about that. If you’re asking him if it’s fair, I think he had a tough go of it, but life’s not fair always.” Q: Would you like the Browns and Jim Brown to be on good terms once again?: Holmgren : “Jim is one of my childhood heroes. He was a fabulous player and one of the first people I met when I came here. I would love to see Jim Brown come in and be part of the legends program. I can see why Jim would be upset at me because his role changed a bit. I would love to see Jim Brown be a part of (the Browns) and I would welcome him with open arms.” Q: Are the brown jerseys coming back?: Holmgren: “Yes they are. We will wear brown at home and split it with the white.” Notebook Holmgren More Accessible: Holmgren said he has decided to be more accessible this season in his third year with the Browns. He explained that he felt from his own experience that he felt the head coach should be the voice of the team. “I feel it’s important to have one voice from the organization and tried to do that for a couple years,” Holmgren said. “Not that I’m hard-headed, but I’ve listened to some people around town and people have said they’ve liked to hear more from me and that’s what I’m going to try and do. “I don’t know how that will manifest itself and I’ve talked to both Pat (Shurmur) and Tom (Heckert),” he said. “They have to know the President is on their side. They have to know that. The hard part at times, there will be a danger that he said this or they said that, but it’s important they know I have their back. The bottom line is I’m going to try and be more available. “I have a great young coach and a great general manager, but in listening a little bit when I’m out and about that’s what we’re trying to do today.” Holmgren was asked if some of the criticism he’s received for being on Seattle radio stations was unfair. “I don’t know, “he said. “That might be part of the reason I decided to be more accessible. “You have to have thick skin in this business, and when I heard that I wasn’t committed, that bothered me,” he said. “I’m committed here to the community. Kathy and I are like it here. My birthday is (Friday). I will be 64, but I have some more kicking to do. I’ve said this is my last great adventure, but I’m committed to get (the Browns) turned around. “I feel bad about that and that is one of the reasons why I’ve shifted gears.” Legends: Former Browns RB Ernie Green and DB Clarence Scott are to be inducted into the Cleveland Browns Legends program during the Alumni Weekend Sept. 22-23. Green played with the Browns from 1962-68, while Scott played from 1971-83. Preseason Single Game Tickets on Sale: The Browns started selling single-game tickets for the 2012 preseason on Wednesday June 13. Single game tickets for the regular season will be available starting August 1. The two home preseason games are on Aug. 24 with the Eagles and Aug. 30 against the Bears http://cle.scout.com/2/1194986.html

Would you guys take a shot on him, especially since Taylor will be out?

[h=3]Any takers for Haynesworth?[/h]11:50AM ET
[h=5]Albert Haynesworth | Buccaneers[/h]

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At one point in his career, free agent DT Albert Haynesworth was in the discussion as the league's MVP. But following that dominant season in 2008, he was signed to what some view as the worst free agent contract in recent NFL history; the Washington Redskins got very little out of the Tennessee product before shipping him off to the New England Patriots prior to the 2011 season for a 2013 fifth-round pick. During the season, the Pats released Haynesworth and he was picked up by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, only to be dropped again in February.
During the late stages of his tenure in Washington, there was some thought that the Philadelphia Eagles wanted to get their hands talons on him, seeing as their new D-line coach Jim Washburn had coaxed the best seasons of Haynesworth's career out of him. Nevertheless, that did not come to pass, and there has been no indication this offseason -- with Haynesworth able to sign with anyone -- that the Eagles have any intention of adding him to their roster.
ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter was asked specifically about where Haynesworth could wind up for 2012, and he notes that it will take a combination of factors to have him land anywhere:
[RIGHT]- Tim Kavanagh[/RIGHT]
[h=5]Adam Schefter[/h]Nothing on the horizon
[INDENT]"I'd imagine it would take a team that suffered some injuries, and had a strong coaching staff and locker room, to give him a chance. But I haven't heard of anything imminent at this time."[/INDENT]

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