It's so stupid. I'm also sick of the words "mauler," and "value" when it comes to the draft. Thing is...mauler makes sense and value makes SOME sense, but is impossible to prove until about three years out.

But reach is the dumbest fucking word of all time in relation to the draft. You have NO IDEA what a reach is if you aren't pounding the phones and finding out where other TEAMS value guys...not other fans. Front offices know what a reach is, not us. All it takes is one other team to like a guy as much as you do and see him as being worth one pick higher than yours and you're SOL.

IggyPride00;1155387 wrote:Have to go receiver here. I was expecting a run on them to start the round, but there are some first round talents left. Can't pass up on the position.

lhslep134;1155456 wrote:Good post from RCF

Mulva;1155480 wrote:That's dumb. I think he's a reach because there were better players available at the same position, regardless of when they took him.

Fuck the fact that Bruce Irvin was a huge reach, he fills a position of need for Seattle so nobody should comment negatively about it, right? Awful logic. There is no way to determine if a "guy performs" on draft night, so whoever posted that needs to shut the fuck up just as much as everyone else if he really has that opinion.

But my guess is he doesn't, and he was actually going to rub Heckert's dick about what a good pick it was. Before the guy plays 1 snap. And that makes him a hypocrite. A pick can't be right on draft night anymore than it can be wrong.

Mulva;1155480 wrote:That's dumb. I think he's a reach because there were better players available at the same position

hoops23;1155481 wrote:How do you honestly know if the others were truly better than Mitchell? Because Kiper had them rated higher?

BR1986FB;1155487 wrote:Heckert obviously didn't have them rated higher.

BR1986FB;1155487 wrote:Heckert obviously didn't have them rated higher.

hoops23;1155481 wrote:How do you honestly know if the others were truly better than Mitchell? Because Kiper had them rated higher?

lhslep134;1155482 wrote:I think the post hoops supplied applies to you:

"But reach is the dumbest ****ing word of all time in relation to the draft. You have NO IDEA what a reach is if you aren't pounding the phones and finding out where other TEAMS value guys...not other fans. Front offices know what a reach is, not us. All it takes is one other team to like a guy as much as you do and see him as being worth one pick higher than yours and you're SOL. "

Mr Miyagi;1155494 wrote:If the Browns didnt take Schwartz I would have #BillBelichick

Mulva;1155497 wrote:I'm capable of forming my own opinions on players. I don't give a **** what Kiper thinks about them. I don't give a **** what Heckert thinks about them. It's my opinion. Me saying I disagree with a pick doesn't mean a player is gonna suck. But Heckert/the Browns thinking he's "the right guy" doesn't mean he's going to be a good player either.

The whole "the team knows more than you do and therefore they never do anything wrong and if you question them you're a dumbass/bad fan" thought process is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

But back to the draft... about the only receiver left that I like is Joe Adams, and he's no more than a #3/slot guy. I have no idea what they're planning on doing at this point.

bases_loaded;1155505 wrote:If the experts are so good, why aren't they GMs?

Pick6;1155506 wrote:If H&H are so good, why is the team ****?

Crimson streak;1155503 wrote:So you study film of all the players in the draft all day? If not stfu you just followed everyone else's rankings

Pick6;1155506 wrote:If H&H are so good, why is the team shit?

Pick6;1155506 wrote:If H&H are so good, why is the team ****?