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Apr 27, 2012 12:22 AM
After all this at least we can say we got weed and rich at the same time :)
Apr 27, 2012 12:22am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:25 AM
I dont mind the picks so far. I would be interested to know who they thought was going to move up to get Weedon though. The fact that Decastro went to the Steelers hurts me more than if he would have went somewhere else . One thing about this FO , they targeted 2 players and went out and got them. I think there is going to be a run on OL's WR's and CB's in the second round.
So what does everybody think of our divisions draft? Steelers had a good pick. Bengals had a nice draft so far with Kirkpatrick and Zeitler, Ravens trade out of first for a second and 4th. Any thoughts?
Apr 27, 2012 12:25am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:28 AM
2kool4skool;1154664 wrote:Well, Heckert and Holmgren are all-in. If Weeden is anything less than a top 10 QB a couple years from now, while the Steelers have an all-pro that we passed on, the regime needs to be gone.
What if Weeden isn't a top 10 QB but DeCastro isn't an All-pro?
Apr 27, 2012 12:28am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:31 AM
hoops23;1154667 wrote:I don't think Weeden has to be a top 10 QB... He just has to be a good one.
What's a "good" QB then? Top 20?

We let a near lock of an all-pro O-lineman for the next 10 seasons go to our division rivals in exchange for this guy. He's 28 years old, he needs to step in and immediately be a difference maker to justify that price.
Apr 27, 2012 12:31am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:32 AM
lhslep134;1154677 wrote:What if Weeden isn't a top 10 QB but DeCastro isn't an All-pro?
Then it's still a disaster, but doesn't sting quite as bad.
Apr 27, 2012 12:32am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:34 AM
2kool4skool;1154679 wrote:What's a "good" QB then? Top 20?

We let a near lock of an all-pro O-lineman for the next 10 seasons go to out division rivals in exchange for this guy. He's 28 years old, he needs to step in and immediately be a difference maker to justify that price.
You're making it seem like finding an all-pro guard is as hard as finding a franchise QB. We just let one go (steinbach), they are not nearly as hard to find.

When you're in a position to take a QB you take them. Finding a guard is much easier to do, no matter who he went to.
Apr 27, 2012 12:34am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:36 AM
2kool4skool;1154682 wrote:Then it's still a disaster, but doesn't sting quite as bad.
What if DeCastro is the next Branden Albert?
Apr 27, 2012 12:36am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:37 AM
2kool4skool;1154679 wrote:What's a "good" QB then? Top 20?

We let a near lock of an all-pro O-lineman for the next 10 seasons go to our division rivals in exchange for this guy. He's 28 years old, he needs to step in and immediately be a difference maker to justify that price.
I don't like where we picked him either, but he was the 22nd pick, not a top 5 pick.. Saying he needs to be a top 10 QB to justify it is a bit overboard.

I'd imagine if he comes in and is an instant upgrade to our offense, the Browns and fans alike will be pleased. As long as he moves the ball, doesn't turn it over, and gets us into the end zone, that's all that matters.

He's not going to be better than

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Newton, Stafford, Vick, Ryan, Brees or Rivers...

That's 11 QB's...

All he has to do is upgrade our offense and we'll be an improved team.
Apr 27, 2012 12:37am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:38 AM
IggyPride00;1154683 wrote:Finding a guard is much easier to do, no matter who he went to.
Like I said, Scouts, Inc.'s 2nd, 3rd, 4th rated guards drafted in 4th or 5th rounds.
Apr 27, 2012 12:38am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:39 AM
I said before the draft I would trust Heckert's decisions, and if the rest of the draft goes well, I see no reason to change my mind.
Apr 27, 2012 12:39am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:42 AM
SMITTEMS;1154672 wrote:After all this at least we can say we got weed and rich at the same time :)
Looks like you get it Reps.

Half the people who hang out here won't sleep tonight. I remember back in my college days....having no money with a bag a weed was considered more secure than being with a wad of cash in the fanny pack, but with no weed.

Time will tell...and we are only through round one.
Apr 27, 2012 12:42am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:44 AM
IggyPride00;1154683 wrote:finding a franchise QB.
Oh, we found our franchise QB now? lol
We just let one go (steinbach),
Steinbach has never made an all-pro team in his 9 year career.
When you're in a position to take a QB you take them.
Was that the logic behind McCoy? Who they've now given up on? How long of a leash does Weeden have?

In before we pass on Barkley next year because we drafted Weeden this year and hope he'll be the solution.
Apr 27, 2012 12:44am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:47 AM
lhslep134;1154691 wrote:Like I said, Scouts, Inc.'s 2nd, 3rd, 4th rated guards drafted in 4th or 5th rounds.
Scout Inc's 1st and 4th rated QB's taken in the 6th and 2nd round.

Stats like that mean absolutely nothing. Great players are found at every position in all rounds.
Apr 27, 2012 12:47am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:50 AM
DeyDurkie5;1154634 wrote:dumbest thing i've ever read
Dumbest responce I have ever read. Doc Kwowitall was spot on regarding Warner. Warner, as a prospect, was 1/10th that of Weeden. Came out of the Arena League and bagged groceries in the off season. And he won a Super Bowl.
Apr 27, 2012 12:50am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:52 AM
Steinbach has never made an all-pro team in his 9 year career.
He was the first alternate to the pro bowl in 2008, so that is close enough. Point being that guys like that are much easier to find to play at an elite level than Qb's. He was a second round pick as well.
Apr 27, 2012 12:52am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:52 AM
2kool, did you really just try and counter my point about O-lineman by bringing up QB's who weren't drafted 1st round? If there is ANY POSITION that is the antithesis to the ability of finding good offensive linemen late it's quarterback.
Apr 27, 2012 12:52am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:54 AM
ytownfootball;1154608 wrote:They played in the league for six/seven years before this guy even got drafted Einstein.
Relevance? You were talking about mobility there Slick, not age. And your age argument has also been thoroughly debunked with serious pwnage.
Apr 27, 2012 12:54am
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Apr 27, 2012 12:58 AM
To be fair, the team Warner inherited in St. Louis was absurdly talented.
Apr 27, 2012 12:58am
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Apr 27, 2012 1:23 AM
There's still a lot of wr talent in this draft. I really want posey. He's got great speed and makes plays. I think he has first round talent but his issues at osu really dropped him. Honestly he could be another Greg little
Apr 27, 2012 1:23am
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Apr 27, 2012 1:37 AM
At this point I want Stephen Hill. Playing in that offense for GT he blocked a lot and is physically imposing, even if he's not quite polished as a WR yet.
Apr 27, 2012 1:37am
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Apr 27, 2012 1:38 AM
lhslep134;1154702 wrote:2kool, did you really just try and counter my point about O-lineman by bringing up QB's who weren't drafted 1st round? If there is ANY POSITION that is the antithesis to the ability of finding good offensive linemen late it's quarterback.
I was countering your logical fallacy in your earlier post.

You're correct, QB's, as a position, do in fact have the largest average drop off in terms of production between 1st and 2nd rounders.

Problem is, Weeden is a 2nd round talent, the Browns just reached. There's not a single other team that would have taken him in the 1st round.

Let's say the Browns finish with a top 5 pick against next year. If Weeden has a McCoy like rookie season, do you really pass on Barkley or whoever the top prospect is next season because you have a 30 year old that had a decent rookie year? That is the position the Browns have likely put themselves in.

Drafting Weeden is far more likely to delay finding our franchise QB than it is to remedy it.
Apr 27, 2012 1:38am
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Apr 27, 2012 1:42 AM
Did no one from the Browns organization watch the coverage of the draft on ESPN, and see the spray line I saw every time I looked up at the Browns "Needs and Stats". We led the league in dropped balls. Now I'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist here...but wouldn't you want an impact RECEIVER at the 22nd pick? I mean we passed Julio Jones UP last season...

I honestly am not angry we picked Weeden. But like everyone else on here, I believe we could have picked up a talent at WR or OL before we picked him up in day #2. You would think that when you draft a rookie RB at #3, you would want to take SOME of the heat off of him. Drafting Weeden just put MORE heat on him. As a rookie he is going to be expected to run the ball 2 out of 4 downs, dodge the guy that is about to kill him on his right hand side, and run into the other 7 guys who are stacked in the box KNOWING that it is going to be a running play to the left. I've read this story before, it was the year 2 Peyton Hillis / Colt McCoy story.

Once defensive coordinators realized the right side of the line was a virtual piece of swiss cheese, they blitzed their linebackers to the weak side and stacked their linemen to the strong side. We all saw how "potent" the offense was last season. I guess potent was a bad word choice, because I know a lot of ass that can smell pretty potent.

Rebuilding in this city is no longer an option, we have been rebuilding since 1999 when we finally got our team back from that genital herpe we know as Art Model. Spend some of that money we have been sitting on for so long. Why do we have so much salary cap room you ask? Add up our wins from the last 4 years and tell me...
Apr 27, 2012 1:42am
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Apr 27, 2012 1:53 AM
2kool4skool;1154714 wrote:I was countering your logical fallacy in your earlier post.
You think it's a logical fallacy that high level guards can be found all over the later rounds? wut?
Apr 27, 2012 1:53am
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Apr 27, 2012 3:52 AM
lhslep134;1154713 wrote:At this point I want Stephen Hill. Playing in that offense for GT he blocked a lot and is physically imposing, even if he's not quite polished as a WR yet.
Same. Plus he's 6'4 and runs a 4.3. Imagine him and Little blocking for Trent? Lol

Seriously, just get Hill a slant over the middle and let him create with his speed.
Apr 27, 2012 3:52am
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Apr 27, 2012 3:53 AM
I don't mind Weedon at 22. He may or may not have been there at 37. We'll never know. IMO he has everything you look for in a QB. I don't care how old he is. QBs play longer than most other positions. And there are still WRs left that can stretch the field.
Apr 27, 2012 3:53am