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Apr 25, 2012 6:18 PM
SportsAndLady;1152195 wrote:I can't believe not many media outlets are talking about Mohammed Sanu. He's graded a 2nd-3rd round pick right now...I hope to God the Browns take him if he's there in the fricken 3rd round. I think he's going to be very good.
I read that he only had 4 catches of 20+ yards in his entire collegiate career. That's awful if true. Plus he ran like a 4.7. I don't really want any part of him.
Apr 25, 2012 6:18pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:02 PM
Mulva;1152861 wrote:I read that he only had 4 catches of 20+ yards in his entire collegiate career. That's awful if true. Plus he ran like a 4.7. I don't really want any part of him.
He was the freakin QB three years ago lol two years ago he was in an offense that was dead last (I think this is true...if not dead last, it was near the bottom) in passing offense. Last year he had a good year w/ two different QBs alternating throughout the year.

He doesn't grade well when it comes to physical evaluations, combine times, etc. I concede that. But the guy is really freakin good and makes some of the craziest catches in traffic that you'll ever see. He's not afraid of going over the middle, he's HUGE, and can take a hit. Perfect AFC North receiver if you ask me.

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Apr 25, 2012 7:02pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:04 PM
Check out this highlight video...I know you can make one of these for every prospect in the NFL draft, but mainly pay attention to a) his hands b) his physical play and c) his catches in traffic.

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Apr 25, 2012 7:04pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:15 PM
Jesus...these idiots are in talks with Minnesota to move UP to 3 to ensure they get Richardson per Charlie Casserly. If that happens, "bye bye 2nd or 3rd round pick."
Apr 25, 2012 7:15pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:17 PM
BR1986FB;1152892 wrote:Jesus...these idiots are in talks with Minnesota to move UP to 3 to ensure they get Richardson per Charlie Casserly. If that happens, "bye bye 2nd or 3rd round pick."
Browns? Or other idiots?
Apr 25, 2012 7:17pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:24 PM
SportsAndLady;1152896 wrote:Browns? Or other idiots?
Browns.

Trading UP for T-Rich would be almost as big of a fail as staying piut, at 4, and taking Tannehill. This would be a Butch Davis-like panic move to go UP for Richardson.
Apr 25, 2012 7:24pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:33 PM
Sorry, I just don't want another slow possession receiver. He looks Greg Little with less upside.

I'd prefer a legit #1 option, but if we aren't getting that we need a deep threat/slot guy more than another strong runner who won't average more than 10 yards per catch.
Apr 25, 2012 7:33pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:49 PM
So lets pretend we DO take Weeden at 22. Does that mean the front office is saying "he's our man, not Colt" or does it mean "we still believe in Colt, until he keeps checking down and we hear all the boos and calls for Weeden and we feel forced to play him"? It just doesn't make much sense...if you draft him he's gotta play right off the bat, you can't let him sit a year and develop. He'll be 29 in October.
Apr 25, 2012 7:49pm
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Apr 25, 2012 7:59 PM
Mulva;1152908 wrote:Sorry, I just don't want another slow possession receiver. He looks Greg Little with less upside.

I'd prefer a legit #1 option, but if we aren't getting that we need a deep threat/slot guy more than another strong runner who won't average more than 10 yards per catch.
Well yeah Mulva I'm not saying he should be the only WR we add. Lol.

I'm saying if we get a speed guy, say at 22 we take Kendall Wright, you wouldn't be happy with Wright and Sanu in this draft?
Apr 25, 2012 7:59pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:02 PM
SportsAndLady;1152915 wrote:Well yeah Mulva I'm not saying he should be the only WR we add. Lol.

I'm saying if we get a speed guy, say at 22 we take Kendall Wright, you wouldn't be happy with Wright and Sanu in this draft?
I think Wright could play a Desean Jackson-type role in this offense. Good in the slot/underneath if you need him and also capable of stretching the field.
Apr 25, 2012 8:02pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:08 PM
SportsAndLady;1152915 wrote:Well yeah Mulva I'm not saying he should be the only WR we add. Lol.

I'm saying if we get a speed guy, say at 22 we take Kendall Wright, you wouldn't be happy with Wright and Sanu in this draft?

I would be very happy with that. Sanu is a great 3rd down reliable guy and wright stretches the field. And then little is a bit of both
Apr 25, 2012 8:08pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:11 PM
kendall wright is a fat bitch.
Apr 25, 2012 8:11pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:12 PM
BR1986FB;1152918 wrote:I think Wright could play a Desean Jackson-type role in this offense. Good in the slot/underneath if you need him and also capable of stretching the field.
i think our wide out group would be upgraded with trich at 4 wright/hill/jeffery at 22 evan moore and greg little and norwood, with weeden at 37, this offense could score some points.
Apr 25, 2012 8:12pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:16 PM
McBride: A Man Out of
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By [URL="javascript:location.href='http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22' + author + '%22&sssiteid=149&type=2';"]Barry McBride[/URL]

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2012



Browns leadership must persevere
through what may be a tumultuous 2012 season.

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Comments

We can now, realistically, begin to ponder how long Mike Holmgren is going to
last as Team President of the Cleveland Browns.

The reboot risk factors are all there: more losing seasons, a roster that
remains thin and riddled with holes, lack of confidence in the teams starting
quarterback, a rough schedule, a toxic media environment.

While the team argues that "things have changed" in Cleveland, those changes
aren't obvious from their won-loss record, where a 5-11 and 4-12 record under
Holmgren's leadership are identical to what the team accomplished in five of the
seven seasons prior.

Optimistic fans could point to possible parallels to 2007. That squad had
gone 4-12 the year before and had a schedule that was heralded as certain doom
for team's front office. Somehow, miraculously, the offense clicked and the
Browns had their best season since 1994, going 10-6 and barely missing the
playoffs.

Barring that sort of reversal, this season already feels more like the 2009
campaign, where fan frustration and media opportunism overflowed into a season
of pure misery.

The biggest risk factor heading into 2012 is that that Holmgren's image in
Cleveland has gone from savior to savaged in just three seasons. Justified or
not, the image that Holmgren is currently being promulgated in Cleveland is that
of a somewhat uninvolved, vacation-happy chief executive resting his feet on a
large desk in his corner office while he talks to radio shows in Seattle.

This image is likely unfair to the Team President. Fans and the local media
focus entirely on the football side of the organization, and expect Holmgren to
have a similar focus. But that doesn't map to his role in the organization:
Holmgren's responsibilities supposedly encompass both the less-visible business
side of the organization in addition to being Tom Heckert and Pat Shurmur's
boss. Being the lead "football man" in the organization actually IS a part-time
job for Holmgren.

The developing negative perception of Holmgren, plus the selection of the
low-key Shurmur as head coach and the go-slow approach of building through the
draft, has provided a wide target for ratings-frantic sportstalkers and
page-view-hungry websites to go on the attack during this off-season. That will
only heat up when the team is playing games that matter.

The most recent broadside levelled at Holmgren is that he was not present
during a rescheduled visit by QB prospect Ryan Tannehill. Speculating endlessly and without
the benefit of any of the relevant facts, the local media has filled airtime
with continually reinforced images of Holmgren as a do-nothing Team
President.

The greatest irony is that the Browns are finally doing things in a way that
makes sense for the long term, delaying gratification in order to try to build
the team around a consistent philosophy. Resisting the urge to duct tape the
roster by overpaying for free agents, the Holmgren team has the misfortune of
having adopted a philosophy in 2012 that should have been in place in 1999.

The football moves largely make sense, even if they've been immediately
unsatisfying on the field. Last year's trade-down in the draft was a textbook
example of what to do when you have roster riddled with holes. Knowing that the
rebuild was going to be a multi-year process, the Browns accumulated future
picks while trading into an area of the draft that allowed for the more
cost-effective reconstruction of their defensive line.

While Shurmur still has a lot to prove, his hire and the Browns personnel
moves revolve around Holmgren's preferred West Coast Offense, giving the team a
nascent offensive identity for the first time since their return in 1999.

But Holmgren and crew are being asked to pay back a debt to Browns fans that
has been amassing since 1999 and before. The Browns faithful are the most
put-upon fans on the planet, and are well aware of their status. Patience
disappeared years ago.

But patience is what is needed now.

It will be up to the team's owner, Randy Lerner, to determine if this is yet
another abortive experiment, or whether a long-term winning culture is being
established.

Lerner, despite his carefully maintained low profile, is very sensitive to
criticism of his team, and is particularly aware of criticism by passionate
fans. He soaks it all in, and responds in some situations where he feels he can
make his case fairly.

It is incumbent upon Lerner to ignore what is likely to be a firestorm of
vitriol directed at his franchise throughout the 2012 season. Holmgren and
Heckert need to have at least through 2013 to show progress with the franchise,
given draft-oriented approach they've taken to building it.

The validity of the team's draft orientation won't matter if it loses the
first five games. The airwaves will be full of nothing but negativity, and no
excuses for poor performance will be tolerated. Local sports personalities will
jockey for attention, attempting to out-do each other's over-the-top rants as
the team struggles.

The Cleveland Browns post-expansion history of pre-ordained failure has been
well-documented. It's up to the team's leaders to determine whether they are
currently writing just another repetitive chapter of that book, or are whether
they are finally bringing it to a conclusion.

It won't be easy to put in the blinders, keep a sense of humor, and get
through what may be another tough season. In fact, it may be the hardest thing
that Lerner and Holmgren have ever done.

But it's the best hope we have.

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Apr 25, 2012 8:16pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:56 PM
shook_17;1152931 wrote:i think our wide out group would be upgraded with trich at 4 wright/hill/jeffery at 22 evan moore and greg little and norwood, with weeden at 37, this offense could score some points.
Not with Weeden at QB sorry.
Apr 25, 2012 8:56pm
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Apr 25, 2012 8:57 PM
Reports are stating Jets thinking of moving from #16 along with next years first round for the #3 overall this year.
Apr 25, 2012 8:57pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:01 PM
SportsAndLady;1152915 wrote:Well yeah Mulva I'm not saying he should be the only WR we add. Lol.

I'm saying if we get a speed guy, say at 22 we take Kendall Wright, you wouldn't be happy with Wright and Sanu in this draft?
I would love Wright. I hope we grab him at 22.

I think Sanu would be a waste of a pick. If we didn't already have Little (and Cribbs, and Moore) I would probably think differently.
Apr 25, 2012 9:01pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:04 PM
if the Jets move up to 3, gimme Kalil at 4 and best WR available at 22. Then grab a RB in the 2nd. Fuckkkkkkkkkk Weeden and Tannefail.
Apr 25, 2012 9:04pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:13 PM
Russ Lande (former long time scout with Browns and Rams and now Sporting News blogger/draft analyst was on KNR this afternoon, said Browns take Tannehill.
Apr 25, 2012 9:13pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:18 PM
For my TV's sake, I hope we don't take tannehill. Though I would still like that pic better than Blackmon.
Apr 25, 2012 9:18pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:26 PM
Commander of Awesome;1152995 wrote:For my TV's sake, I hope we don't take tannehill. Though I would still like that pic better than Blackmon.
LOL, you are to Blackmon as BR is to McCoy (even though he hasn't been as bad).
Apr 25, 2012 9:26pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:27 PM
If tannehill is there at 22 I wouldn't mind it. I think he could be a good nfl qb. He needs a little work but if they handle it right he good be good
Apr 25, 2012 9:27pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:32 PM
Commander of Awesome;1152995 wrote:For my TV's sake, I hope we don't take tannehill. Though I would still like that pic better than Blackmon.
but what if they take blackmon?
Apr 25, 2012 9:32pm
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Apr 25, 2012 9:32 PM
Pick6;1153013 wrote:LOL, you are to Blackmon as BR is to McCoy (even though he hasn't been as bad).
Yeah I'm starting to get a bit repetitive about it. He's a late first prospect IMO and it pisses me off to see him going to the Browns at #4. I would take min or 4 WRs ahead of him.
Apr 25, 2012 9:32pm