That's very mean.bases_loaded;1152390 wrote:As long as blowing said gasket ends in your imminent death
they have repeatedly said it's a 5 year plan. He was hired in 2010. This will be his third draft with the browns. I highly doubt he will get fired next year if they go 1-15 or in that range. I also highly doubt that this team does that bad. You listen to way too much cleveland media in my opinionBR1986FB;1152354 wrote:And I keep coming back to this "I don't think they have the LUXURY of letting McCoy 'sink or swim."
If he sucks and they go 3-13 or 2-14 there's probably not going to be a "next year" for this regime to draft the QB's you mentioned. I firmly believe they are going to be in a "win now" type mindset and go after a QB who they think can a) start immediately and b) beat out McCoy. That won't be with one of those 4-6 round projects.
I just don't see Lerner being patient if they go from 5 to 4 to less than 4 wins in Holmgren's three year tenure. He seems to have a hair trigger and could cave to fan pressure. Is that necessarily right? No, but I could see that happening. Going backwards in wins AGAIN, which is VERY possible, is unacceptable.
Commander of Awesome;1152446 wrote:Listening to any cleveland radio is too much IMO. Its horrible.
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LOL..."think" about it. If YOU got progressive WORSE in your job from year to year in a THREE year stretch would you still have your job? Not likely. Has nothing to do with the Cleveland media. It's common jackass sense.DeyDurkie5;1152438 wrote:they have repeatedly said it's a 5 year plan. He was hired in 2010. This will be his third draft with the browns. I highly doubt he will get fired next year if they go 1-15 or in that range. I also highly doubt that this team does that bad. You listen to way too much cleveland media in my opinion
Man..I don't know about taking ANY sort of flyer on him now. It's one thing to be dumb in the sense of not being prepared for the Combine but it's another to go full on retard and not be prepared AND fail a drug test. That's just all kinds of stupid.zach24oz;1152462 wrote:That sucks for Burfict bc I was going to say to go ahead and take a shot at him in the mid-rounds...now if he is still slower than a lineman and hanging out with Mike Adams too much, it's going to hurt even more. But I still have a feeling there's going to be someone to take him a little earlier than what he should. I'd still think about taking a shot on him with one of the compensatory picks in the 6th or 7th round. If he is still failing drug tests and isn't dedicated enough to get in better shape to make the team then cutt his sorry behind.
BR1986FB;1152461 wrote:LOL..."think" about it. If YOU got progressive WORSE in your job from year to year in a THREE year stretch would you still have your job?
It's exactly what cleveland needs, to clean house again:rolleyes:BR1986FB;1152461 wrote:LOL..."think" about it. If YOU got progressive WORSE in your job from year to year in a THREE year stretch would you still have your job? Not likely. Has nothing to do with the Cleveland media. It's common jackass sense.
Completely agree but I'm looking at it from Lerner's (possible) perspective. This IS the guy who left the podium almost pissing himself when he found out Mangini had suddenly became available and hired him in a heartbeat.DeyDurkie5;1152492 wrote:It's exactly what cleveland needs, to clean house again:rolleyes:
and if he does that(which I don't think he will, beucase I expect to see improvement this year record wise), then he shouldn't be running the show. Heckert needs to stay. period.BR1986FB;1152499 wrote:Completely agree but I'm looking at it from Lerner's (possible) perspective. This IS the guy who left the podium almost pissing himself when he found out Mangini had suddenly became available and hired him in a heartbeat.
I don't disagree with you that they shouldn't blow it up but I could see Lerner do it if this team looks absolutely miserable in 2012.
Heckert and Shurmur, for now, need to stay. Holmgren can get the fuck out for all I care. Heckert is the key to this franchise moving forward. I want to see another year of Shurmur before passing judgement.DeyDurkie5;1152501 wrote:and if he does that(which I don't think he will, beucase I expect to see improvement this year record wise), then he shouldn't be running the show. Heckert needs to stay. period.
I couldn't.zach24oz;1152524 wrote:http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/04/nfl-rumors-rams-to-shop-jackson-in-hunt-for-richardson/
I think this very well could happen...hope I'm wrong, but could see it.
Agreed. Maybe wrong and they do it but if they turned down the Browns offer to move up to 2 and then they trade back up with Minny they are going to be complete douchebags. Because "net/net/net", they won't be coming out with that great of a "take" from the RGIII trade.Commander of Awesome;1152528 wrote:I couldn't.
Why? If the team keeps regressing year after year, with no signs of improvement in the win column, they certainly should be held accountable.SportsAndLady;1152534 wrote:Comparing regular jobs to an NFL General Manager position is incredibly foolish. These guys weren't hired to win the super bowl in 3 seasons..they were hired to carry out their five year plan. They're not going to get canned by a guy whose worried about his English football team's relegation chances. Try and think logically please. Im gonna start saying Dick Jauron is going to get fired, I mean it's proven on here that you don't really need proof to make statements lol just gotta think it and it'll make sense
The NFL isn't about progressing usually. Rarely ever does a franchise go 1-15, then 4-12, then 7-9, then 9-7 then finally 14-2. Its a one year turn around, sometimes 2. H&H will be fine as long as they don't strike out in this draft and find their QB in next years draft.BR1986FB;1152545 wrote:Why? If the team keeps regressing year after year, with no signs of improvement in the win column, they certainly should be held accountable.
I'm not saying "blow it up" but Lerner might think that. The expectations for this group were high and if continue to look worse on the field than previous regimes they certainly should be looked at with a jaundiced eye.
if the browns go 4-12 again this season holmgren will quit.BR1986FB;1152545 wrote:Why? If the team keeps regressing year after year, with no signs of improvement in the win column, they certainly should be held accountable.
I'm not saying "blow it up" but Lerner might think that. The expectations for this group were high and if continue to look worse on the field than previous regimes they certainly should be looked at with a jaundiced eye.
