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Apr 3, 2012 10:14 PM
Great idea for the NBA to make them stay an extra year, because it's clearly been proven that one and dones need an extra year of preparation before contributing to an NBA team.......

brb Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Kevin Durant
Apr 3, 2012 10:14pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:19 PM
2kool4skool;1136079 wrote:Great idea for the NBA to make them stay an extra year, because it's clearly been proven that one and dones need an extra year of preparation before contributing to an NBA team.......

brb Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Kevin Durant
there are examples for both sides of the argument.
Apr 3, 2012 10:19pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:21 PM
The 1 and dones that dont flourish in the NBA, wouldnt of done any better had they stayed another year. They simply were not cut out for the NBA
Apr 3, 2012 10:21pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:26 PM
wes_mantooth;1136086 wrote:there are examples for both sides of the argument.
Then players that need to stay an extra year can. Most of the best players in the NBA are one and dones or straight out of HS. The teams want to draft them, the players want to enter the draft, only reason to not allow it is so the NBA can get an extra year of completely free marketing of their prospects(while the prospects have another year where they can't be paid their market value.)

2011 All NBA team
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Derrick Rose

All one and dones or straight to the NBA. The NBA can GTFO of here with their nonsense.
Apr 3, 2012 10:26pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:28 PM
Hb31187;1136087 wrote:The 1 and dones that dont flourish in the NBA, wouldnt of done any better had they stayed another year. They simply were not cut out for the NBA
Normally a players biggest growth is between 18 and 22, so I disagree with that.
Apr 3, 2012 10:28pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:31 PM
robj55;1136092 wrote:Normally a players biggest growth is between 18 and 22, so I disagree with that.
But playing another year against players not near the caliber of NBA players isnt gonna do shit for you. If anything, playing with NBA players every day, and practicing in top of the line facilities with much better coaches and training staffs would help you much much more IMO
Apr 3, 2012 10:31pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:39 PM
Hb31187;1136097 wrote:But playing another year against players not near the caliber of NBA players isnt gonna do **** for you. If anything, playing with NBA players every day, and practicing in top of the line facilities with much better coaches and training staffs would help you much much more IMO
It can help you get game experience, which is more valuable than anything else. Now they have a minor league system in the D League to get guys experience which is valuable. I think you learn more about the game during these years, and the best place to showcase what you've learned is on the court, not on the bench. I know my greatest years of getting better were during those years as opposed to any other years at least.
Apr 3, 2012 10:39pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:40 PM
Hb31187;1136097 wrote:But playing another year against players not near the caliber of NBA players isnt gonna do shit for you. If anything, playing with NBA players every day, and practicing in top of the line facilities with much better coaches and training staffs would help you much much more IMO
True, but there are those players like Robinson from Kansas that just needed a little more seasoning. I just think it is different for everyone...some would get buried by the huge jump and some that can adjust quicker.
Apr 3, 2012 10:40pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:43 PM
wes_mantooth;1136111 wrote:True, but there are those players like Robinson from Kansas that just needed a little more seasoning. I just think it is different for everyone...some would get buried by the huge jump and some that can adjust quicker.
Well said, a player's confidence is key during those years. If a player loses that by not getting time, regardless of the 1 on 1 attention he gets from the staff during practice, he may never recover.
Apr 3, 2012 10:43pm
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Apr 3, 2012 10:49 PM
You guys are pointing out situations that are completely unaffected by the rule. If a player needs to stay an extra year, then they are allowed to. Being able to leave early doesn't mean it's a requirement.

What it will do, is force players who are literally among the best in the world, to miss out on a full year of being paid their market value, while they risk injury, in exchange for peanuts.

The rule doesn't exist to "protect" the players from themselves. The NBA doesn't give a shit about that. They want an extra year of completely, totally, free marketing for their prospects.
Apr 3, 2012 10:49pm
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Apr 3, 2012 11:24 PM
There are players who, regardless of how long they stay in college, will get buried in the NBA.

Look at Kyrie. He could have came right out of high school. Hell, he only played 11 games in college... KD, Rose, Blake, all guys who could have came straight out and put up #'s.

Then you have guys like Jared Sullinger. No matter how long he stays in college, he's not going to improve his game. What's he going to do in college that would completely change the way he comes into the NBA?
Apr 3, 2012 11:24pm
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Apr 4, 2012 7:05 AM
Kobe 10-16 and another game winning shot in case hoops23 is interested.
Apr 4, 2012 7:05am
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Apr 4, 2012 7:28 AM
hoops23;1136210 wrote:There are players who, regardless of how long they stay in college, will get buried in the NBA.

Look at Kyrie. He could have came right out of high school. Hell, he only played 11 games in college... KD, Rose, Blake, all guys who could have came straight out and put up #'s.

Then you have guys like Jared Sullinger. No matter how long he stays in college, he's not going to improve his game. What's he going to do in college that would completely change the way he comes into the NBA?

True but you're only giving success stories. Plenty of kids never made it too. Longer you keep them in school, the better the chances are that they get a degree too.
Apr 4, 2012 7:28am
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Apr 4, 2012 8:00 AM
Midstate01;1136383 wrote:True but you're only giving success stories. Plenty of kids never made it too. Longer you keep them in school, the better the chances are that they get a degree too.
I would guess for every success story there are 2-3 stories of players who never made it. Now whether staying in or going to College would have made a difference in their development to the NBA can be debated till the cows come home because there is no way to prove it either way.
Apr 4, 2012 8:00am
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Apr 4, 2012 8:10 AM
Big Cuz with 41 pts, 12 reb. Kings lose...haha.
Apr 4, 2012 8:10am
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Apr 4, 2012 11:57 AM
It may be impossible to research but I would like to see how the players fared who SHOULD have left after their freshman year and take out the players who had no business leaving early(Josh Selby comes to mind). How much of this wanting to change the eligibilty rules can be blamed on GM's drafting on potential and it not working out?
Apr 4, 2012 11:57am
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Apr 4, 2012 12:38 PM
I guess it wasn't impossible. I thought for sure there were more kids who left after one year. Nearly all of these who were drafted are still in the NBA.

2006 8 SR's drafted in first round
4 Tyrus Thomas LSU
17 Shawne Williams Memphis
UD Dinc Indiana
UD Holloway Post Grad HS

2007 6 SR's
1 Oden Ohio St.
2 Durant Texas
4 Conley Ohio St.
8 Wright UNC
10 Hawes Washington
12 Young Georgia Tech
19 Crittenton Georgia Tech
21 Cook Ohio St.
UD Johnson SC JC

2008 5 SRS
1 Rose Memphis
2 Beasley Kansas State
3 Mayo USC
5 Love UCLA
7 Gordon Indiana
11 Bayless Arizona
14 Randolph LSU
19 Hickson NC State
23 Koufos Ohio State
28 Greene Syracuse
35 Jordan Texas A&M
47 Walker Kansas State
UD Bailey Post Grad HS
UD Davon Jefferson USC
UD John Riek Post Grad HS

2009 6 SR's
4 Evans Memphis
9 DeRozan USC
17 Holiday UCLA
24 Mullens Ohio State
UD Nate Miles So.Idaho

2010 4 SR's
1 Wall Kentucky
3 Favors Georgia Tech
5 Cousins Kentucky
12 Henry Kansas
18 Bledsoe Kentucky
19 Bradley Texas
29 Orton Kentucky
33 Whiteside Marshall
40 Stephenson Cincinnati
47 Gallon Oklahoma
UD Tommy Mason-Griffin Oklahoma

2011 7 SR's
1 Irving Duke
3 Kanter Kentucky
4 Thompson Texas
8 Knight Kentucky
19 Harris Tennessee
29 Joseph Texas
49 Selby Kansas
UD Jereme Richmond Illinois

Looks like the only drafted players not on rosters now are Tiny Gallon, Javaris Crittenton and Greg Oden.
Apr 4, 2012 12:38pm
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Apr 4, 2012 3:42 PM
sportswizuhrd;1136635 wrote:and Greg Oden.
And if Oden had been forced to stay a 2nd year, he may be doing car dealership commercials in Columbus to support himself right now.
Apr 4, 2012 3:42pm
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Apr 4, 2012 4:43 PM
2kool4skool;1136090 wrote:Then players that need to stay an extra year can. Most of the best players in the NBA are one and dones or straight out of HS. The teams want to draft them, the players want to enter the draft, only reason to not allow it is so the NBA can get an extra year of completely free marketing of their prospects(while the prospects have another year where they can't be paid their market value.)

2011 All NBA team
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Derrick Rose

All one and dones or straight to the NBA. The NBA can GTFO of here with their nonsense.
I'll take Kevin Love over Dwight Howard any day of the week.
Apr 4, 2012 4:43pm
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Apr 4, 2012 4:50 PM
sleeper;1136797 wrote:I'll take Kevin Love over Dwight Howard any day of the week.
Okay, that was simply a list of the 2011 all NBA first team. Though Love is another example of a one and done.
Apr 4, 2012 4:50pm
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Apr 4, 2012 4:52 PM
2kool4skool;1136803 wrote:Okay, that was simply a list of the 2011 all NBA first team. Though Love is another example of a one and done.
If Kevin Love was a black guy, he'd be 1st team all NBA. All I'm saying.
Apr 4, 2012 4:52pm
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Apr 4, 2012 5:02 PM
sleeper;1136805 wrote:If Kevin Love was a black guy, he'd be 1st team all NBA. All I'm saying.
Put him on a more publicized team and he would be right there.

Unfortunately for him he is stuck in Minny and stuck behind Bron and Durant at the forward spot.
Apr 4, 2012 5:02pm
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Apr 4, 2012 5:18 PM
wildcats20;1136815 wrote:Put him on a more publicized team and he would be right there.

Unfortunately for him he is stuck in Minny and stuck behind Bron and Durant at the forward spot.
Love is a PF/C. He's also the best Center in the league.
Apr 4, 2012 5:18pm
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Apr 4, 2012 9:18 PM
This Thunder/CHeat game is one of the best games I've watched this season so far. Only the 2/3 OT games are better so far. Highly entertaining. I just hope FAILami continues to fall in love with the jump shot. Anyone else watching on ESPN2?
Apr 4, 2012 9:18pm
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Apr 4, 2012 9:32 PM
^^ Im watching. Awesome, physical game so far.


Fuck the Heat.
Apr 4, 2012 9:32pm