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Jun 2, 2014 2:50 PM
That fight should have never even been scheduled
Jun 2, 2014 2:50pm
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Jun 2, 2014 3:37 PM
What fight?
Jun 2, 2014 3:37pm
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Jun 2, 2014 4:45 PM
I Wear Pants;1621929 wrote:What fight?
I assume he means Miocic vs Maldonado.
Jun 2, 2014 4:45pm
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Jun 2, 2014 6:17 PM
bigdaddy2003;1621953 wrote:I assume he means Miocic vs Maldonado.
I didn't listen but Rogan, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, and Eddie Bravo did a fight companion podcast where they basically have a live podcast going while the fights are happening. I heard they were saying the same thing, that it would have never been licensed in the US. The US did license Couture vs. Toney though, which is arguably a bigger mismatch.
Jun 2, 2014 6:17pm
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Jun 2, 2014 6:22 PM
Zoltan;1621974 wrote:I didn't listen but Rogan, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, and Eddie Bravo did a fight companion podcast where they basically have a live podcast going while the fights are happening. I heard they were saying the same thing, that it would have never been licensed in the US. The US did license Couture vs. Toney though, which is arguably a bigger mismatch.
Why wouldn't it be licensed?
Jun 2, 2014 6:22pm
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Jun 4, 2014 11:43 AM
robj55;1621976 wrote:Why wouldn't it be licensed?
In the US they look at the professional experience of the fighters at the weight class they will be fighting in. Apparently in boxing they take into account your amateur experience as well. I guess the guy Stipe was fighting was considered a small 205er and had no business being at heavy weight. But he's brazillian and requested the fight so the UFC let it go.
Jun 4, 2014 11:43am
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Jun 4, 2014 12:14 PM
Zen;1622505 wrote:In the US they look at the professional experience of the fighters at the weight class they will be fighting in. Apparently in boxing they take into account your amateur experience as well. I guess the guy Stipe was fighting was considered a small 205er and had no business being at heavy weight. But he's brazillian and requested the fight so the UFC let it go.
He weighed in at 225 lbs, only 15 shy of Stipe. Hell DC probably outweighed Hendo by 30-40 lbs on fight night and that was licensed.
Jun 4, 2014 12:14pm
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Jun 4, 2014 1:02 PM
robj55;1621976 wrote:Why wouldn't it be licensed?
Like I said I didn't listen so I don't know their reasons, but I'm assuming because Fabio is alot smaller, less skilled and over matched in pretty much any aspect of fighting. He weighed 225, but was soft and fat. Stipe was clearly the bigger man. This stuff is not an exact science at all, Nelson is obviously fat and knocks people out, and Hendo fights bigger guys like you said. It was just one of those fights that seemed like a huge mismatch, and then when it ended so quickly everyone jumped in with I told you so.
Jun 4, 2014 1:02pm
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Jun 4, 2014 1:06 PM
Zoltan;1622567 wrote:Like I said I didn't listen so I don't know their reasons, but I'm assuming because Fabio is alot smaller, less skilled and over matched in pretty much any aspect of fighting. He weighed 225, but was soft and fat. Stipe was clearly the bigger man. This stuff is not an exact science at all, Nelson is obviously fat and knocks people out, and Hendo fights bigger guys like you said. It was just one of those fights that seemed like a huge mismatch, and then when it ended so quickly everyone jumped in with I told you so.
Yeah it was a huge mismatch, I didn't expect it to end that early though. Fabio is extremely durable.
Jun 4, 2014 1:06pm
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Jun 4, 2014 1:21 PM
robj55;1622515 wrote:He weighed in at 225 lbs, only 15 shy of Stipe. Hell DC probably outweighed Hendo by 30-40 lbs on fight night and that was licensed.
They are supposed to look at skill levels as well. Heck, Hendo beat Fedor for crying out loud so if they were really liscensing correctly I wouldn't have a problem with that fight but might have had one with the Stipe/Maldonado fight.

The one that I thought was close to being unlicensed was the Couture/Toney fight. The NSAC/CSAC/etc are mostly boxing guys and probably thought that Toney was above and beyond Couture, because they aren't that smart. So it was a 'odd ball' case.

However, they would never let a guy that is just coming out of the NAAFS here in Ohio fight Jose Aldo in his first fight for instance. They could be liable for negligence if any severe injuries occur (as could the UFC for scheduling an unfair fight).
Jun 4, 2014 1:21pm
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Jun 4, 2014 1:59 PM
jmog;1622576 wrote:They are supposed to look at skill levels as well. Heck, Hendo beat Fedor for crying out loud so if they were really liscensing correctly I wouldn't have a problem with that fight but might have had one with the Stipe/Maldonado fight.

The one that I thought was close to being unlicensed was the Couture/Toney fight. The NSAC/CSAC/etc are mostly boxing guys and probably thought that Toney was above and beyond Couture, because they aren't that smart. So it was a 'odd ball' case.

However, they would never let a guy that is just coming out of the NAAFS here in Ohio fight Jose Aldo in his first fight for instance. They could be liable for negligence if any severe injuries occur (as could the UFC for scheduling an unfair fight).
I know Maldonado isn't on the same level as Stipe but he is still a guy who has won fights and been competitive in the UFC, albeit at 205. Maldonado was also 22-0 as a pro boxer, although he didn't fight anyone of note. I never looked at this fight like oh man Fabio is going to get seriously hurt, I thought it was going to be a back and forth was for a while due to his boxing and durability. Stipe steam rolled him though as he should have.
Jun 4, 2014 1:59pm
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Jun 4, 2014 3:20 PM
robj55;1622603 wrote:I know Maldonado isn't on the same level as Stipe but he is still a guy who has won fights and been competitive in the UFC, albeit at 205. Maldonado was also 22-0 as a pro boxer, although he didn't fight anyone of note. I never looked at this fight like oh man Fabio is going to get seriously hurt, I thought it was going to be a back and forth was for a while due to his boxing and durability. Stipe steam rolled him though as he should have.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another. I could be persuaded to agree with you or to agree with the idea that it shouldn't have been sanctioned.

I was just stating that they (the state ACs) are supposed to look at those types of things and the Couture/Toney fight is the one that REALLY surprised me, not the DC/Hendo fight.
Jun 4, 2014 3:20pm
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Jun 4, 2014 5:00 PM
jmog;1622627 wrote:I don't really have an opinion one way or another. I could be persuaded to agree with you or to agree with the idea that it shouldn't have been sanctioned.

I was just stating that they (the state ACs) are supposed to look at those types of things and the Couture/Toney fight is the one that REALLY surprised me, not the DC/Hendo fight.
Yeah I can't recall an athletic commission not sanctioning a fight in recent memory based on discrepancy in size or skill level, at least not off the top of my head.
Jun 4, 2014 5:00pm
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Jun 4, 2014 9:21 PM
I just don't like the idea of a top 7 heavyweight fighting a guy who is 4-3 (against bottom tier guys besides Glover) in the UFC. I don't even remember him beating anyone of note in his career. It's just a total mismatch. Luckily Vegas really missed the mark on this and only had Miocic at -550. I bet $1000 on him and took home a nice profit.
Jun 4, 2014 9:21pm
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Jun 4, 2014 9:23 PM
I think commissions will pretty much allow any fight to happen. If they weren't going to allow a fight based on skill I think it would have had to have been Cormier vs Cummins.
Jun 4, 2014 9:23pm
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Jun 5, 2014 8:20 AM
robj55;1622640 wrote:Yeah I can't recall an athletic commission not sanctioning a fight in recent memory based on discrepancy in size or skill level, at least not off the top of my head.
I bet it happened a decent amount in the early Fertita/Dana owned UFC. Since then the UFC is deep enough and the match making is smart enough now to avoid it (typically).

It might happen at times even still that we don't hear about because the fights aren't announced until they are already sanctioned.
Jun 5, 2014 8:20am
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Jun 5, 2014 12:28 PM
The fight on TUF was horrible last night.
Jun 5, 2014 12:28pm
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Jun 5, 2014 1:05 PM
jmog;1622777 wrote:I bet it happened a decent amount in the early Fertita/Dana owned UFC. Since then the UFC is deep enough and the match making is smart enough now to avoid it (typically).

It might happen at times even still that we don't hear about because the fights aren't announced until they are already sanctioned.


I highly doubt it has happened in the last three or four years. If they will sanction Toney/Couture and Mendez/Cody Macenzie, they will sanction almost anything the UFC makes.
Jun 5, 2014 1:05pm
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Jun 5, 2014 3:00 PM
It seems like 90% of the problem is when a fighter gets injured and they need a quick replacement. They are pretty much willing to give any fighter with a twitter account who says yes a fight.
Jun 5, 2014 3:00pm
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Jun 5, 2014 3:02 PM
I've even read about guys at smaller regional events who are pretty much plucked out of the stands to fight sometimes or fighters who will sometimes fight on a Friday and Saturday of the same weekend for different promoters.
Jun 5, 2014 3:02pm
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Jun 5, 2014 3:17 PM
sportchampps;1622944 wrote:I've even read about guys at smaller regional events who are pretty much plucked out of the stands to fight sometimes or fighters who will sometimes fight on a Friday and Saturday of the same weekend for different promoters.
Yeah that's dangerous.
Jun 5, 2014 3:17pm
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Jun 6, 2014 1:09 PM
With Dodson fighting this weekend, it got me thinking. He knocked out Dillashaw, who has obviously improved a ton since then, but does anything think Might Mouse could beat TJ? I think he could.
Jun 6, 2014 1:09pm
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Jun 6, 2014 3:33 PM
The date for the Jones fight had been set. Sept 27th
Jun 6, 2014 3:33pm
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Jun 6, 2014 4:26 PM
Vitor admits he failed random test in February, shocker. Apparently his levels were off the charts.
Jun 6, 2014 4:26pm
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Jun 6, 2014 4:26 PM
Zoltan;1623226 wrote:With Dodson fighting this weekend, it got me thinking. He knocked out Dillashaw, who has obviously improved a ton since then, but does anything think Might Mouse could beat TJ? I think he could.
Potentially he could, size could be a factor. I think Dodson can beat Mighty Mouse in a rematch.
Jun 6, 2014 4:26pm