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Sep 22, 2012 12:30 AM
Good for Senior. Coach Davault has a lot of respect for what Coach Bradley has done with that program. They were the more physical team & the better team in every phase of the game.

Tavy had a nice game...the lone bright spot on offense.

Not sure what could be done different to change the way the season is going. I'd be ok with Bryce getting more snaps, but he's not a spread QB..need to revamp your entire offensive approach in order to put him in a position to succeed.

Would also like to see Zook on offense, he's too talented to just have on defense. This is his 2nd game back after his knee injury and I know the coaches were trying to not over work him coming off injury, but I think he has to be on both sides of the ball.

No secret weapon to turning this around...and I won't get any easier in the next 2 weeks.
Sep 22, 2012 12:30am
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Sep 22, 2012 7:53 AM
Sheesh...I haven't been on here for a week and I come back to get caught up and see that the three trolls have basically ruined the forum and snuffed everyone out. The poor play of the team hasn't helped either, but these three guys have just shut down the chance to have any worthwhile discussion.

Anyway, Ill offer my opinion. We have won our last game of the season, we will have another very poor year next year and hopefully we are in a new conference the after. The three trolls should leave that alone since it goes along with their narrative.
Sep 22, 2012 7:53am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:01 AM
Series62;1277042 wrote:Dude, pull up with the "teaching about life" stuff, it's high school football and they aren't doing that much teaching! It isn't life threatening or life changing, its a football game.

Most of the young men on the team won't see much playing time on the high school team let alone beyond high school and I'm sure most of their parents will prepare them for life and teach them to overcome challenges.

Are you kidding me the very defenition of coaching is teaching. This is not only the game but life, some of these kids have no role role models at home and thier parents dont teach them anything thats why they act the way they do. They spend more time with these coaches during the year then at home. I hope the area coaches respect the impact they have on these kids more than than you.
Sep 22, 2012 8:01am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:16 AM
Series62;1277042 wrote:Dude, pull up with the "teaching about life" stuff, it's high school football and they aren't doing that much teaching! It isn't life threatening or life changing, its a football game.

Most of the young men on the team won't see much playing time on the high school team let alone beyond high school and I'm sure most of their parents will prepare them for life and teach them to overcome challenges.

Thank you for someone finally saying this. Coaches dont teach kids life lessons for God's sake it is High school football and this program is SOFT! I keep hearing how great Davault is off the field and that is all straight BULLSHIT! If he wants to teach kids life lessons then be a preacher not a football coach. This team is getting embarrased every week and the size thing in the past hasnt meant crap! We are always undersized but now we are not even competing. This team has quit on their coach and judging by the attendance at the game last night so has the town! If the sol called silent majority in Orrville wants to accept mediocrity year after year then that is up to you but I will not do it. If you even think for one minute this guy is a quality football coach you are just foolish. Like its been said he was 7-3 and made playoff runs because he had some great talent but we are all seeing his true colors this year when he has less and this team is not only losing but its not even competing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 22, 2012 8:16am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:21 AM
Red Rider;1277101 wrote:Sheesh...I haven't been on here for a week and I come back to get caught up and see that the three trolls have basically ruined the forum and snuffed everyone out. The poor play of the team hasn't helped either, but these three guys have just shut down the chance to have any worthwhile discussion.

Anyway, Ill offer my opinion. We have won our last game of the season, we will have another very poor year next year and hopefully we are in a new conference the after. The three trolls should leave that alone since it goes along with their narrative.
If the forum is shut down, it is shut down because trolls like yourself that can't seem to bear discussing football because of a 1-4 record. Talk of changing conferences was brought up earlier this year, to "reduce fuel costs"! Why not join the WCAL?
Sep 22, 2012 8:21am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:22 AM
riders1;1277043 wrote:Coaches fault all the way I am sure you morons are correct. I see talent all over the field making tackles , catching the ball, blocking the opponents , making foolish penalties just as the coaches are instructing them and have been for the last 30 to 40 years. No chance that the talent level has dropped off, it's all the coaches fault, as the 3 wise guys have seen and spoken it must be so just as the wise ones in the past have known what lousy coaches we have always had. They claim to be fans yet they support only their own superior wisdom and know that the winning has always been because the talented players have over come the inferior coaches for over 30 years and made themselves into playoff teams only to be held back from winning championships every year but one. How can us true fans not have seen this, oh yes that's because we lack the wisdom of the 3 wise guys, shame , shame. :rolleyes:

No really whats shameful is morons like you sticking up for the guy over and over! Ive had enough. Wake up guy because much of the same is coming in the future of Orrville. SOme of our past coaches had down years but always got the most out of their players and didnt get embarrased like this. I will buy the less talent and the coach cant play in the game but you need to buy the fact that we come out of the lockeroom with the same dumb ass gameplan every week and this guy cannot make adjustments. There is one coach on this team that makes adjustments but nobody else can figure iit out.
Sep 22, 2012 8:22am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:30 AM
Red Rider Nation;1277106 wrote:Thank you for someone finally saying this. Coaches dont teach kids life lessons for God's sake it is High school football and this program is SOFT! I keep hearing how great Davault is off the field and that is all straight BULL****! If he wants to teach kids life lessons then be a preacher not a football coach. This team is getting embarrased every week and the size thing in the past hasnt meant crap! We are always undersized but now we are not even competing. This team has quit on their coach and judging by the attendance at the game last night so has the town! If the sol called silent majority in Orrville wants to accept mediocrity year after year then that is up to you but I will not do it. If you even think for one minute this guy is a quality football coach you are just foolish. Like its been said he was 7-3 and made playoff runs because he had some great talent but we are all seeing his true colors this year when he has less and this team is not only losing but its not even competing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow this is really starting to look like the Wooster crap from last year. If no one has noticed we changed coaches and are record is no better than last year. Guess what is the same though the kids on the field. Our defense still cant stop anybody and that was the main reason for change. So no matter what you guys are saying talent does matter especially when you play other talented programs. Again the coaches do have a responsibility to teach these kids how to act under adverse conditions as i said before they spend more time with them through the year than at home, and a lot of kids dont have parents that care, even in this area. Orrville has been blessed with big time talent for many years and you guys are just coming to the realization that maybe you have average talent and the rest of the area has better talent for once. lets not bash the guys who put in all this time with the kids. Like you guys have said on here it is ONLY A FOOTBALL GAME NOT LIFE.
Sep 22, 2012 8:30am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:36 AM
its funny how now we can only resort to saying we dont belong in the OCC. So if we were in the WCAL would our record be any better? I can assure you it wouldnt had we already played Hillsdale, Northwestern, and Norwayne. We wouldnt compete with any of those 3. Would probably lose to Smithville and flip a coin with Waynedale. What a JOKE! We have resorted to looking at the league being too tough instead of looking in the mirror and figuring our own issues out! I know I am negative right? I am sure coach Davaults hands have to be sore from all the clapping he does in these losses. What the hell is he clapping about? Maybe he should start yelling instead of clapping...... oh wait it must be a part of those life lessons he is teaching these young men. There is a job out there for everyone i guess!
Sep 22, 2012 8:36am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:39 AM
scarface1;1277104 wrote:Are you kidding me the very defenition of coaching is teaching. This is not only the game but life, some of these kids have no role role models at home and thier parents dont teach them anything thats why they act the way they do. They spend more time with these coaches during the year then at home. I hope the area coaches respect the impact they have on these kids more than than you.
Man please, there are too many successful men and women, young and old, that haven't participated in athletics at all. By successful, I don't mean the wealthy, yet, they support their families, teach their families and sometimes they can also have an impact on the lives of their neighbors.

I won't deny that the coaches haven't helped some, usually the very good athlete that can help them win, but life is not caught up in a football game! So please, spare us!
Sep 22, 2012 8:39am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:43 AM
scarface1;1277111 wrote:Wow this is really starting to look like the Wooster crap from last year. If no one has noticed we changed coaches and are record is no better than last year. Guess what is the same though the kids on the field. Our defense still cant stop anybody and that was the main reason for change. So no matter what you guys are saying talent does matter especially when you play other talented programs. Again the coaches do have a responsibility to teach these kids how to act under adverse conditions as i said before they spend more time with them through the year than at home, and a lot of kids dont have parents that care, even in this area. Orrville has been blessed with big time talent for many years and you guys are just coming to the realization that maybe you have average talent and the rest of the area has better talent for once. lets not bash the guys who put in all this time with the kids. Like you guys have said on here it is ONLY A FOOTBALL GAME NOT LIFE.

Oh stop with the role model nonsense. This isnt inner city New York! They are there to teach the kids football. I coach baseball but i dont do it so I can teach kids how to tie their shoes. Its baseball! Thats what I teach! They dont spend more time with the coaches then at home that is just bull too! All these excuses are getting in the way of the real issue. The fish bleeds from the head down and looking at anyone other then the coach right now doesnt make sense. Yes he is the same coach that took teams to the playoffs but thats because he couldnt fail with all the D-1 talent he had.
Sep 22, 2012 8:43am
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Sep 22, 2012 8:48 AM
Series62;1277113 wrote:Man please, there are too many successful men and women, young and old, that haven't participated in athletics at all. By successful, I don't mean the wealthy, yet, they support their families, teach their families and sometimes they can also have an impact on the lives of their neighbors.

I won't deny that the coaches haven't helped some, usually the very good athlete that can help them win, but life is not caught up in a football game! So please, spare us!

No but football is part of these kids life so the coaches do have a responsibility to TEACH other lessons while they have our kids for the hours that they do. Dont say these guys dont care about the kids even the none starters or stars this is high school the guys who coach dont do this for the PARENTS in the stands they do this for KIDS who put in the time lets not forget this.
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Sep 22, 2012 9:05 AM
scarface1;1277111 wrote:Wow this is really starting to look like the Wooster crap from last year. If no one has noticed we changed coaches and are record is no better than last year. Guess what is the same though the kids on the field...
scar, the Wooster coach is new, not even a full season yet. He has to hopefully learn the players as well as those that are upcoming. Perhaps he's a good coach, perhaps he isn't. At least give him a full season to see what has and hasn't changed.

Orrville's head coach has been here for several years. He should have been able to assess the talent level as far back as the 7th and 8th grades to determine what type of talent he has and prepare for it.
Sep 22, 2012 9:05am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:15 AM
To say the Wooster football program isn't in better hands with Haas than it was McCreary is just ludicrous.
Sep 22, 2012 9:15am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:15 AM
scarface1;1277111 wrote:Wow this is really starting to look like the Wooster crap from last year. If no one has noticed we changed coaches and are record is no better than last year. Guess what is the same though the kids on the field. Our defense still cant stop anybody and that was the main reason for change. So no matter what you guys are saying talent does matter especially when you play other talented programs. Again the coaches do have a responsibility to teach these kids how to act under adverse conditions as i said before they spend more time with them through the year than at home, and a lot of kids dont have parents that care, even in this area. Orrville has been blessed with big time talent for many years and you guys are just coming to the realization that maybe you have average talent and the rest of the area has better talent for once. lets not bash the guys who put in all this time with the kids. Like you guys have said on here it is ONLY A FOOTBALL GAME NOT LIFE.
good post.
Red Rider Nation;1277112 wrote:its funny how now we can only resort to saying we dont belong in the OCC. So if we were in the WCAL would our record be any better? I can assure you it wouldnt had we already played Hillsdale, Northwestern, and Norwayne. We wouldnt compete with any of those 3. Would probably lose to Smithville and flip a coin with Waynedale. What a JOKE! We have resorted to looking at the league being too tough instead of looking in the mirror and figuring our own issues out! I know I am negative right? I am sure coach Davaults hands have to be sore from all the clapping he does in these losses. What the hell is he clapping about? Maybe he should start yelling instead of clapping...... oh wait it must be a part of those life lessons he is teaching these young men. There is a job out there for everyone i guess!
We are smaller than some of the WCAL schools now.....It's funny you bring up the top 3 teams in the league...Orrville would be right up with Hillsdale and Northwestern, Norwayne would beat us hands down....they are the hot team in Wayne county right now. The thing with the WCAL is we would compete in ALL sports and not the select few we compete in the OCC...and we would be going up against teams with the same number of kids on the sideline. The OCC has finally caught up to us and with the decreasing enrollment it only makes sense to join a league with schools our own size.
Series62;1277113 wrote:Man please, there are too many successful men and women, young and old, that haven't participated in athletics at all. By successful, I don't mean the wealthy, yet, they support their families, teach their families and sometimes they can also have an impact on the lives of their neighbors.

I won't deny that the coaches haven't helped some, usually the very good athlete that can help them win, but life is not caught up in a football game! So please, spare us!
First off, nobody said you have to play sports to be successful.

Second, it seems like you center your life around Orrville and the fact that you don't like anything that is being done here....so please spare us, we know your act.
Red Rider Nation;1277115 wrote:Oh stop with the role model nonsense. This isnt inner city New York! They are there to teach the kids football. I coach baseball but i dont do it so I can teach kids how to tie their shoes. Its baseball! Thats what I teach! They dont spend more time with the coaches then at home that is just bull too! All these excuses are getting in the way of the real issue. The fish bleeds from the head down and looking at anyone other then the coach right now doesnt make sense. Yes he is the same coach that took teams to the playoffs but thats because he couldnt fail with all the D-1 talent he had.
This coaching staff stresses the importance of giving back to the community and teaches these young men important lessons in life....If any of these players had issues or needed to talk, I'm 100% certain all of the coaches would take the time to talk with their players and point them in the right direction. At the high school level IT IS more than just football and winning, and you have to be able to take the good with the bad. We can't control/dictate our enrollment numbers, we can't control how many division I athletes we have, and we can't control those areas with the schools on our schedule.
Sep 22, 2012 9:15am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:21 AM
Series62;1277123 wrote:Orrville's head coach has been here for several years. He should have been able to assess the talent level as far back as the 7th and 8th grades to determine what type of talent he has and prepare for it.

You have got to be kidding me.....do you honestly think the coach doesn't know what talent he has at every level, and that he would run something that is completely opposite to what his talent is? Thanks for the good laugh by the way...


What do you football experts think the offense should run given the talent we have?

Power I
Wing-T
Full House
Triple Option
West Coast
Spread
Run n Gun
Wildcat

Please fill me in on what you think the Riders should be doing with the talent we have...because apparantly there is a better option out there that is a hidden secret from the 3 wise men.
Sep 22, 2012 9:21am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:26 AM
OQB;1277127 wrote:good post.



We are smaller than some of the WCAL schools now.....It's funny you bring up the top 3 teams in the league...Orrville would be right up with Hillsdale and Northwestern, Norwayne would beat us hands down....they are the hot team in Wayne county right now. The thing with the WCAL is we would compete in ALL sports and not the select few we compete in the OCC...and we would be going up against teams with the same number of kids on the sideline. The OCC has finally caught up to us and with the decreasing enrollment it only makes sense to join a league with schools our own size.



First off, nobody said you have to play sports to be successful.

Second, it seems like you center your life around Orrville and the fact that you don't like anything that is being done here....so please spare us, we know your act.



This coaching staff stresses the importance of giving back to the community and teaches these young men important lessons in life....If any of these players had issues or needed to talk, I'm 100% certain all of the coaches would take the time to talk with their players and point them in the right direction. At the high school level IT IS more than just football and winning, and you have to be able to take the good with the bad. We can't control/dictate our enrollment numbers, we can't control how many division I athletes we have, and we can't control those areas with the schools on our schedule.

Again your excuses are getting in the way of the real issue! You act loike no high school football coach has ever been fired? Hell we ran the only one out of town that ever won a state title! Yes I know that wont happen every year and I really could care less if we are 1-4 or 0-5. Its not the losses that bother me each week it is the fact that we make ZERO adjustments on offense. We have some kids on this team that can play and it isnt until the 4th qtr that they touch the ball! So again OQB please stop with the excuses!
Sep 22, 2012 9:26am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:36 AM
Red Rider Nation,

Do you think the team just goes in at halftime to go to the bathroom, touch up the eye black or ankle tape, tuck the jersey back in, maybe get a drink of water, text their girlfriend to see what the plans are after the game, and head back out to start the 3rd quarter? These coaches are making adjustments....it all comes down to the players executing.
Sep 22, 2012 9:36am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:41 AM
OQB;1277130 wrote:You have got to be kidding me.....do you honestly think the coach doesn't know what talent he has at every level, and that he would run something that is completely opposite to what his talent is? Thanks for the good laugh by the way...


What do you football experts think the offense should run given the talent we have?

Power I
Wing-T
Full House
Triple Option
West Coast
Spread
Run n Gun
Wildcat

Please fill me in on what you think the Riders should be doing with the talent we have...because apparantly there is a better option out there that is a hidden secret from the 3 wise men.

Well smart guy to run any of these offenses you have to put the right guy under center and I mean UNDER center. We have lined up under center twice this whole year. Also you have to have a coach that is smart enough on 2nd and 1 not to throw the ball 40 yds down the field twice in a row when you could have run the ball for a yard and kept the clock running and possibly score to tie it or go in the lockeroom just down 1 score. However again no matter what offense you run you have to have someone with half a brain that can figure out the simple stuff!
Sep 22, 2012 9:41am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:42 AM
CCRolly;1277126 wrote:To say the Wooster football program isn't in better hands with Haas than it was McCreary is just ludicrous.

Did not say that said that the talent on field this year is almost same as last and results with the defense has not changed. Just saying maybe its more about talent on field than some people think. I think the people on here are not giving coaches their due respect sometimes is all. I definitely think Haas is doing a good job with the kids but results are what everyone talks about on here and they are no different this than last. The only constent is the talent on field. Like i said before Wooster has great athletes at certain positions but lack football players, hopefully Haas can change this attitude i think he is on his way but he is still doing no better this year with the same kids as the previous coach. I am not saying one is better than another just stating facts and sorry if no one likes this but thats the way it is.
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Sep 22, 2012 9:46 AM
OQB;1277127 wrote:......First off, nobody said you have to play sports to be successful....
Nor I!
OQB;1277127 wrote:...Second, it seems like you center your life around Orrville and the fact that you don't like anything that is being done here....so please spare us, we know your act...
In a sense, my life is centered around Orrville, this is where I live, pay taxes and serve. I like a lot of the things that are being done here. I doubt that my life is as centered and caught up in all things Orrville as is yours however.
OQB;1277127 wrote:...This coaching staff stresses the importance...
As well and more does most parents....
Sep 22, 2012 9:46am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:46 AM
Red Rider Nation;1277133 wrote:Again your excuses are getting in the way of the real issue! You act loike no high school football coach has ever been fired? Hell we ran the only one out of town that ever won a state title! Yes I know that wont happen every year and I really could care less if we are 1-4 or 0-5. Its not the losses that bother me each week it is the fact that we make ZERO adjustments on offense. We have some kids on this team that can play and it isnt until the 4th qtr that they touch the ball! So again OQB please stop with the excuses!

Maybe the talent out there isnt as good as the BLEACHER coaches think it is. If kids dont block tackle and turn ball over doesnt matter how many adjustments are made you wont win.
Sep 22, 2012 9:46am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:47 AM
I just love how three of us are called names and accused of bringing the forum down because our opinions don't go with your opinions. The fact is I call things as I see them without fear of losing a friend over it. Because I have no personal ties to any of the coaches I will continue to speak as I do until I see improvement. I will say what all you devout Devault followers will not. It was ok for you people to BASH the former Wooster coach though huh. I guess it's because you were not friends with him.
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Sep 22, 2012 9:55 AM
OQB;1277130 wrote:...
Power I
Wing-T
Full House
Triple Option
West Coast
Spread
Run n Gun
Wildcat....
Run whichever formation and play where #24 and #21 gained an averaged 3-5 yards per rush per the NW, (didn't see Copley), Triway, Lexington and MS games, whenever they were utilized.

If #1 isn't a spread QB, perhaps he needs some gametime snaps and teaching during practice. After all, he seems to be the next qb and he can't do much worse than the #10.
Sep 22, 2012 9:55am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:56 AM
Troll King;1277142 wrote:I just love how three of us are called names and accused of bringing the forum down because our opinions don't go with your opinions. The fact is I call things as I see them without fear of losing a friend over it. Because I have no personal ties to any of the coaches I will continue to speak as I do until I see improvement. I will say what all you devout Devault followers will not. It was ok for you people to BASH the former Wooster coach though huh. I guess it's because you were not friends with him.

Exactly! Most of these posters on here were on that thread last year bashing Wooster's coaches but Coach Davault is in a protected class here. I agree with you too and I have talked with many of the past players that have played this game who read my posts but dont comment and they agree. I could care less who is friends with who I will also continue to voice my opinion on what I see Friday night. If they dont like it DONT read it!
Sep 22, 2012 9:56am
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Sep 22, 2012 9:58 AM
Series62;1277144 wrote:Run whichever formation and play where #24 and #21 gained an averaged 3-5 yards per rush per the NW, (didn't see Copley), Triway, Lexington and MS games, whenever they were utilized.

If #1 isn't a spread QB, perhaps he needs some gametime snaps and teaching during practice. After all, he seems to be the next qb and he can't do much worse than the #10.

Uh oh! You just went there with saying a number. You basher!!! You couldnt be more right!
Sep 22, 2012 9:58am