NCAA pushes $2K increase for athletes

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Oct 24, 2011 3:07 PM
Needs to be less as in $0. Free college, and they already have a montly stipend. It's a great deal to the grateful ones, the other ones can commit NCAA violations and be kicked off the team indefinitely.
Oct 24, 2011 3:07pm
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Oct 24, 2011 3:27 PM
sleeper;943635 wrote:they already have a montly stipend.
This sounds like an increase in the stipend to me.
Oct 24, 2011 3:27pm
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Oct 24, 2011 3:29 PM
FatHobbit;943664 wrote:This sounds like an increase in the stipend to me.

That's what I was hoping...

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Oct 24, 2011 3:29pm
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Oct 24, 2011 3:33 PM
Why would anyone be against this?
Oct 24, 2011 3:33pm
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Oct 24, 2011 3:34 PM
That is nice of them, but it will not resolve any issues related to athletes taking money. There are still going to be boosters handing out cash to make friends/feel important and there are still going to students who are not afraid to take free cash money.
Oct 24, 2011 3:34pm
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Oct 24, 2011 3:37 PM
enigmaax;943679 wrote:That is nice of them, but it will not resolve any issues related to athletes taking money. There are still going to be boosters handing out cash to make friends/feel important and there are still going to students who are not afraid to take free cash money.
This. They could up it 10G's, and it won't change anything.
Oct 24, 2011 3:37pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:26 PM
^^^wrong. It will eliminate the basically good kids that just a need a few bucks to get by....and then the NCAA can spend it's time and efforts tracking the real scofflaws, and the real violations that have implications on competition on the football field/ basketball court. Big money is a lot harder to hide.
Devier Posey lost an entire football season for less than $2000. Ohio State will spend almost a million dollars defending/investigating improper benefits of less than $10 grand TOTAL.
Oct 24, 2011 11:26pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:28 PM
enigmaax;943679 wrote:That is nice of them, but it will not resolve any issues related to athletes taking money. There are still going to be boosters handing out cash to make friends/feel important and there are still going to students who are not afraid to take free cash money.
Exactly. $2000 won't keep anyone from taking extra benefits. That $2000 will be spent on rims for their car as soon as it hits the bank account.
Oct 24, 2011 11:28pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:30 PM
HitsRus;944299 wrote:^^^wrong. It will eliminate the basically good kids that just a need a few bucks to get by....and then the NCAA can spend it's time and efforts tracking the real scofflaws, and the real violations that have implications on competition on the football field/ basketball court. Big money is a lot harder to hide.
Devier Posey lost an entire football season for less than $2000. Ohio State will spend almost a million dollars defending/investigating improper benefits of less than $10 grand TOTAL.
Except the money they get isn't spent on food. Its spent on huge rocks for their ears, rims, etc.
Oct 24, 2011 11:30pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:31 PM
HitsRus;944299 wrote:^^^wrong. It will eliminate the basically good kids that just a need a few bucks to get by....and then the NCAA can spend it's time and efforts tracking the real scofflaws, and the real violations that have implications on competition on the football field/ basketball court. Big money is a lot harder to hide.
Devier Posey lost an entire football season for less than $2000. Ohio State will spend almost a million dollars defending/investigating improper benefits of less than $10 grand TOTAL.
He already has all of his living expenses covered. He took the extra money because he thought he could get away. Do you really see people like Posey, TP, and others telling boosters, "I don't want anymore handouts because the NCAA gave me an extra $200 a month"
Oct 24, 2011 11:31pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:34 PM
HitsRus;944299 wrote:^^^wrong. It will eliminate the basically good kids that just a need a few bucks to get by....and then the NCAA can spend it's time and efforts tracking the real scofflaws, and the real violations that have implications on competition on the football field/ basketball court. Big money is a lot harder to hide.
Devier Posey lost an entire football season for less than $2000. Ohio State will spend almost a million dollars defending/investigating improper benefits of less than $10 grand TOTAL.
So what you are saying is that if only a college student could get an extra $1-2K, they would turn down a few grand here or there that some fanboy wants to give him just so he can tell people he is "close to the program". RIIIIIGHTTTTT!!!!!

Not to brag, but I am willing to bet I am in the top 5-10% of wage earners on this board. I can honestly say that even today, if someone would want to give me a couple grand just to be their bud, that I would have to think twice before turning it down. I think a lot of us, if we are being honest, would say the same thing as well.
Oct 24, 2011 11:34pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:39 PM
Little Danny;944316 wrote:Not to brag, but I am willing to bet I am in the top 5-10% of wage earners on this board. I can honestly say that even today, if someone would want to give me a couple grand just to be their bud, that I would have to think twice before turning it down. I think a lot of us, if we are being honest, would say the same thing as well.

How long will it take Hits to come on here and say that there is nothing wrong with you taking money? College athletes can't do it and that is the biggest problem he has!!!!!!11!!11one
Oct 24, 2011 11:39pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:57 PM
I can pay for a round of golf for a college student on scholarship, no questions asked. But if he happens to be an athlete...or even a prospective athlete...I am putting the kid in jeopardy. Athletes get a stipend for room and board. It doesn't pay for insurance, gasoline or any one a host of other things that a kid needs to live, let alone an athlete that may have other responsibilities/ expenses related to being an athlete. At the same time, being an athlete cuts down on the amount that a student can work, and how he makes his money. They are subject to scrutiny and documentation that goes well beyond the norms.
Oct 24, 2011 11:57pm
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Oct 24, 2011 11:59 PM
Except the money they get isn't spent on food. Its spent on huge rocks for their ears, rims, etc.
That's a pretty judgemental generalization.
Oct 24, 2011 11:59pm
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Oct 25, 2011 12:01 AM
HitsRus;944379 wrote:I can pay for a round of golf for a college student on scholarship, no questions asked. But if he happens to be an athlete...or even a prospective athlete...I am putting the kid in jeopardy. Athletes get a stipend for room and board. It doesn't pay for insurance, gasoline or any one a host of other things that a kid needs to live, let alone an athlete that may have other responsibilities/ expenses related to being an athlete. At the same time, being an athlete cuts down on the amount that a student can work, and how he makes his money. They are subject to scrutiny and documentation that goes well beyond the norms.
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Oct 25, 2011 12:01am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:04 AM
College athletes can't do it and that is the biggest problem he has
I have a problem with colleges/NCAA using these guys to make millions of dollars and then restricting them from making chump change.
I have a problem with the amount of money that is being spent to enforce/investigate picayune amounts, none of which gives anyone a competitive advatage onthe field.
Oct 25, 2011 12:04am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:09 AM
HitsRus;944396 wrote:I have a problem with colleges/NCAA using these guys to make millions of dollars and then restricting them from making chump change.
No one is forcing these kids to have all of their expenses taken care of for 4-5 years. If they don't want to have free tutition, books, room & board, unlimited tutoring, access to top facilities, trainers, and medical staff, I am sure that there are many people who would gladly be "used" like that.
Oct 25, 2011 12:09am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:16 AM
Al Bundy;944407 wrote:No one is forcing these kids to have all of their expenses taken care of for 4-5 years. If they don't want to have free tutition, books, room & board, unlimited tutoring, access to top facilities, trainers, and medical staff, I am sure that there are many people who would gladly be "used" like that.
On the other hand, if the top athletes didn't compete in the NCAA, no one would watch. The NCAA needs future NFL players to continue playing college football, and the players currently need the NCAA to have a realistic shot at an NFL career.

The extra money won't have an affect on guys accepting handouts, but who cares if they get a larger stipend? Good for them, they earned it.
Oct 25, 2011 12:16am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:36 AM
Paying college athletes is ridiculous. There is no need for more money going to them. But, I wish they would quit saying "college athletes." This whole thing revolves around two sports, football and men's basketball. Those are the two biggies that everything happens in. Yes, there have been other sports that are guilty of illegal activities, but most problems and most revenue comes from the television contracts revolving around football and men's basketball (March Madness).

There is NO WAY that $2,000 will change anything for the good. There'll still be people out there wanting to give extra money/incentives to athletes and prospective athletes. It's stupid to think that this will change anything.

Make the student-athletes live in on-campus housing and eat on-campus. That will save them money. And don't give me this "insurance, bills, cell phones...blah, blah, blah" song and dance. The majority of student-athletes aren't covering their own bills. No, there is no support there...it's probably the case and my assumption. Those football and men's basketball players receive heads-up scholarships that are "full rides." They get books, room and board, and tuition all covered. They get stipends to eat on, on top of all this stuff. As mentioned before, they have top of the line facilities to train at, top athletic training help, if they get hurt the school covers health expenses, and so forth. Oh...and they get a free degree. Shucks.

My solution, treat them like the Olympics treat their athletes and sponsorships. The NCAA cannot continue to monitor every breath a student-athlete takes.
Oct 25, 2011 12:36am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:50 AM
2kool4skool;944417 wrote:On the other hand, if the top athletes didn't compete in the NCAA, no one would watch. The NCAA needs future NFL players to continue playing college football, and the players currently need the NCAA to have a realistic shot at an NFL career.

The extra money won't have an affect on guys accepting handouts, but who cares if they get a larger stipend? Good for them, they earned it.
Some programs people watch for the individual, and some they watch for the program. OSU sells the same number of tickets with or without TP. I know that isn't true everywhere, but the top level programs have a product that is bigger than any individual athlete.
Oct 25, 2011 12:50am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:51 AM
Ridiculous. College athletes live like kings and queens. Everything is paid for and they have access to facilities the paying student can't access, plus get a stipend on top of it.
Oct 25, 2011 12:51am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:53 AM
Al Bundy;944447 wrote:Some programs people watch for the individual, and some they watch for the program. OSU sells the same number of tickets with or without TP. I know that isn't true everywhere, but the top level programs have a product that is bigger than any individual athlete.
I can not name one single player on Alabama or LSU's football team. Did Jefferson get booted from LSU? If not, I can name one player. People root for the colors, not the individuals.
Oct 25, 2011 12:53am
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Oct 25, 2011 1:07 AM
Everything is paid for and they have access to facilities the paying student can't access
Everything is NOT paid for, and they need those facilities do their de facto "job".
Oct 25, 2011 1:07am
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Oct 25, 2011 2:09 AM
HitsRus;944452 wrote:Everything is NOT paid for, and they need those facilities do their de facto "job".
What isn't paid for?

When I tutored student-athletes at an SEC school they got FREE tuition, FREE room and board, FREE cafeteria facilities, FREE athletic facilities, and FREE travel to their homes at the beginning of the semester and end of the semester, plus FREE tickets for their families. That doesn't count all of the athletic gear swag they got.

What else do you want?

You rail on this topic over and over again and make less sense each time. How are these people deprived?
Oct 25, 2011 2:09am