#11 Michigan @ #23 Michigan State: Battle for the Paul Bunyan Trophy

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Oct 16, 2011 9:19 AM
Hb31187;934715 wrote:You're middle of the pack big 10 in rushing, its not like its Beanie and Pryor are back there. But I guess we'll see
We're middle of the pack big 10 rushing with ZERO passing offense. I would argue we probably have one of the best rushing attacks... it's kind of hard to rush the ball when everyone knows that a team cannot pass.
Oct 16, 2011 9:19am
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Oct 16, 2011 9:55 AM
Fly4Fun;935230 wrote:We're middle of the pack big 10 rushing with ZERO passing offense. I would argue we probably have one of the best rushing attacks... it's kind of hard to rush the ball when everyone knows that a team cannot pass.
Which is exactly Michigan's problem right now. The defense just stacks the box and dares DR to throw.

Guess, what? It ain't working well. Call me crazy, but I really think getting Gardner in at QB and getting DR to another spot gives us a better chance to win. DG is a good QB (yes, he will make rookie mistakes), and it would really spread out the defense trying to defend the pass and DR.

Lots of talk about this amongst Michigan fans. Seems to be a 50/50 split in favor. Hoke even commented that DG can be a better passer at times. I really believe Hoke wants to start weening DR away from full-time QB. I won't be surprised if DG is at least the starter NEXT year, with DR in a Percy Harvin type role.

And DR will thank Michigan when he actually gets some looks from the NFL. He isn't going to get them as a QB.
Oct 16, 2011 9:55am
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Oct 16, 2011 11:02 AM
WebFire;934916 wrote:You are a terrible poster.
ouch, my feelings are hurt.
Oct 16, 2011 11:02am
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Oct 16, 2011 11:08 AM
WebFire;935249 wrote:
Guess, what? It ain't working well. Call me crazy, but I really think getting Gardner in at QB and getting DR to another spot gives us a better chance to win. DG is a good QB (yes, he will make rookie mistakes), and it would really spread out the defense trying to defend the pass and DR.

Lots of talk about this amongst Michigan fans. Seems to be a 50/50 split in favor. Hoke even commented that DG can be a better passer at times. I really believe Hoke wants to start weening DR away from full-time QB. I won't be surprised if DG is at least the starter NEXT year, with DR in a Percy Harvin type role.

And DR will thank Michigan when he actually gets some looks from the NFL. He isn't going to get them as a QB.
you call me a bad poster, yet i said this same thing way before you.
Oct 16, 2011 11:08am
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Oct 16, 2011 11:30 AM
Daniel "Boom" Herron proved why he was #1 on the depth chart. I know a lot of posters who continually cast him off as ineffective, slow and unable to hit the hole, you guys look stupid today :o as his presence was felt early and often. He was particularly good considering we had absolutely zero ability to pass and was the focus of the "gameplan" if you can call it that.
Oct 16, 2011 11:30am
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Oct 16, 2011 12:13 PM
Just watched this on dvr since I went to the UC game yesterday. Disappointing, yes. Not the end of the world.

It's mind boggling how poor the play calling was inside MSU territory. If they aren't going to attempt long field goals they need to be running the ball more.

Borges was in over his head yesterday. Hopefully for the last time this year.
Oct 16, 2011 12:13pm
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Oct 16, 2011 1:02 PM
Pick6;935294 wrote:you call me a bad poster, yet i said this same thing way before you.
You are overall.
Oct 16, 2011 1:02pm
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Oct 16, 2011 1:27 PM
WebFire;935380 wrote:You are overall.
lol, ok
Oct 16, 2011 1:27pm
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Oct 16, 2011 7:57 PM
dave;935355 wrote:Just watched this on dvr since I went to the UC game yesterday. Disappointing, yes. Not the end of the world.

It's mind boggling how poor the play calling was inside MSU territory. If they aren't going to attempt long field goals they need to be running the ball more.

Borges was in over his head yesterday. Hopefully for the last time this year.
I am going to disagree with this part. I don't think he was necessarily in over his head, but I do think he got too creative. I would have rather of seen I-Formation with Fitz getting the ball. Take the 4th down call for example, line up just like they did, but POUND IT IN THERE!!! I think if they're stopping Denard, then they should try the power run game with Fitz/or another running back.
Oct 16, 2011 7:57pm
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Oct 16, 2011 8:39 PM
bigkahuna;935908 wrote:I am going to disagree with this part. I don't think he was necessarily in over his head, but I do think he got too creative. I would have rather of seen I-Formation with Fitz getting the ball. Take the 4th down call for example, line up just like they did, but POUND IT IN THERE!!! I think if they're stopping Denard, then they should try the power run game with Fitz/or another running back.
The problem is, they put 8 in the box to stop Denard. The running game won't get far either. They've got to get a passing game or this will continue.
Oct 16, 2011 8:39pm
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Oct 16, 2011 9:52 PM
Or you can go 4 and 5 wide so they can't put 8-9 in the box. Do what worked last year.
Oct 16, 2011 9:52pm
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Oct 16, 2011 10:27 PM
dave;936079 wrote:Or you can go 4 and 5 wide so they can't put 8-9 in the box. Do what worked last year.
But they don't respect the pass, and rightfully so. So they still defend run 1st, pass 2nd.
Oct 16, 2011 10:27pm
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Oct 17, 2011 2:17 AM
WebFire;935962 wrote:The problem is, they put 8 in the box to stop Denard. The running game won't get far either. They've got to get a passing game or this will continue.
I just wanted to see it tried; that's all. I think they were going to do it once, but there was a false start.
Oct 17, 2011 2:17am
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Oct 17, 2011 8:52 AM
Love how scUM fans are deserting Ratard Robinson as their QB of choice and clamoring for Gardner to get a start. Rats leaving a sinking ship. Luke will leave OSU with one win over scUM as HC of the Buckeyes. Bank It.
Oct 17, 2011 8:52am
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Oct 17, 2011 10:02 AM
Tiernan;936345 wrote:Love how scUM fans are deserting Ratard Robinson as their QB of choice and clamoring for Gardner to get a start. Rats leaving a sinking ship. Luke will leave OSU with one win over scUM as HC of the Buckeyes. Bank It.
Not quite what you think, but whatever makes you feel good about your Bucks.
Oct 17, 2011 10:02am
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Oct 17, 2011 11:12 AM
Michigan's coach is a dipshit for trying to run a pro-style offense with a spread QB. If he had half a brain he would either:

a) pitch his playbook and let Denard run all over the place
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b) start a QB who can throw the ball more than 10 yards
Oct 17, 2011 11:12am
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Oct 17, 2011 11:22 AM
dlazz;936471 wrote:Michigan's coach is a dipshit for trying to run a pro-style offense with a spread QB. If he had half a brain he would either:

a) pitch his playbook and let Denard run all over the place
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b) start a QB who can throw the ball more than 10 yards
I really think we'll start seeing more B.
Oct 17, 2011 11:22am
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Oct 17, 2011 1:17 PM
WebFire;936413 wrote:Not quite what you think, but whatever makes you feel good about your Bucks.
Felt reeeaally good on Saturday Webbie...actually started to see a silver lining to this darkest of seasons.
Oct 17, 2011 1:17pm
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Oct 17, 2011 1:35 PM
Tiernan;936597 wrote:Felt reeeaally good on Saturday Webbie...actually started to see a silver lining to this darkest of seasons.
I agree 100%.
Oct 17, 2011 1:35pm
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Oct 17, 2011 7:32 PM
Denard is still the best QB on the roster...even as a passer. Last year he was one of the more efficient passers in the NCAA. He is not a pro style passer. His passes are best when they come off run action or more specifically quick passes of the zone read look. UM has abandoned the zone read (the play that makes Denard great). Until they get beck to the zone read and the quick passes off of it, they will struggle. Quit spending practice time on gimmick crap and run what has been proven to work.
Oct 17, 2011 7:32pm
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Oct 17, 2011 9:31 PM
Which plays other than the reverse were gimmick?
Oct 17, 2011 9:31pm
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Oct 17, 2011 9:32 PM
I do agree that if they are going to stick with Denard, they need to play to his strengths.
Oct 17, 2011 9:32pm
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Oct 18, 2011 1:03 PM
A summary of the game in video form from Andy Staples...

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM[/video]
Oct 18, 2011 1:03pm
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Oct 18, 2011 3:20 PM
WebFire;937213 wrote:Which plays other than the reverse were gimmick?
Anything that puts your starting QB at WR or on the bench.
Oct 18, 2011 3:20pm
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Oct 18, 2011 8:35 PM
I disagree.
Oct 18, 2011 8:35pm