Archive ESPN's Trevor Matich on OSU's offense

BigAppleBuckeye

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Oct 6, 2011 4:00pm

Was just watching ESPN's "College Football Live," where Trevor Matich called OSU's offense one of the most fundamentally pathetic offenses he has seen at this level in many, many years. Not exactly news to anyone here, but the fact that Jim Bollman still has a job is simply amazing to me.

Heretic

Posts: 18,820

Oct 6, 2011 4:01pm

BigAppleBuckeye;923923 wrote:Was just watching ESPN's "College Football Live," where Trevor Matich called OSU's offense one of the most fundamentally pathetic offenses he has seen at this level in many, many years. Not exactly news to anyone here, but the fact that Jim Bollman still has a job is simply amazing to me.

Following up the TV announcer last Saturday calling it "staggeringly pathetic". GREAT!!!

hoops23

Posts: 15,696

Oct 6, 2011 4:13pm

Thankfully this is going to lead to a full house cleaning.

I was never a fan of Jim Bollman or Heacock and their schemes.

Obviously, a few assistants could/should stay, such as Vrabel, but the main guys need axed ASAP.

I'd really love to grab Urban Meyer, but I think targeting Chris Peterson could be a huge get as well.

FatHobbit

Posts: 8,651

Oct 6, 2011 4:35pm

Why does everyone want to keep Vrabel? I don't have anything against him, but it seems like everyone who talks about cleaning house thinks Vrabel should stay.

Fly4Fun

Posts: 7,730

Oct 6, 2011 4:42pm

FatHobbit;923974 wrote:Why does everyone want to keep Vrabel? I don't have anything against him, but it seems like everyone who talks about cleaning house thinks Vrabel should stay.

Ya, I really don't understand it either. It's not like our LB's having been lighting it up out there. I believe they have actually had their fair share of missed tackles.

Pick6

Posts: 14,946

Oct 6, 2011 4:42pm

FatHobbit;923974 wrote:Why does everyone want to keep Vrabel? I don't have anything against him, but it seems like everyone who talks about cleaning house thinks Vrabel should stay.

because of the name, obv.. lol

krambman

Posts: 3,606

Oct 6, 2011 5:12pm

hoops23;923936 wrote:Thankfully this is going to lead to a full house cleaning.

I was never a fan of Jim Bollman or Heacock and their schemes.

Obviously, a few assistants could/should stay, such as Vrabel, but the main guys need axed ASAP.

I'd really love to grab Urban Meyer, but I think targeting Chris Peterson could be a huge get as well.

I've never understood why some Buckeye fans don't like Heacock or his scheme. In the past decade the best 6 years for the defense were with Heacock as the DC, and statistically, they are six of the best years in school history. OSU has been top 10 in points allowed and total defense pretty much every year he's been the DC.

I also don't understand why everyone thinks that Vrabel should be retained by the next coach. They guy has been a coach for less than half a season. I can only assume that it's because of his name and not because they think he's an excellent coach, because up to this point, there's no way to tell if he is or not.

Also, while Trevor Matich may be right about this, the guy is still a hack.

Pick6

Posts: 14,946

Oct 6, 2011 5:16pm

krambman;924017 wrote:I've never understood why some Buckeye fans don't like Heacock or his scheme. In the past decade the best 6 years for the defense were with Heacock as the DC, and statistically, they are six of the best years in school history. OSU has been top 10 in points allowed and total defense pretty much every year he's been the DC.

I also don't understand why everyone thinks that Vrabel should be retained by the next coach. They guy has been a coach for less than half a season. I can only assume that it's because of his name and not because they think he's an excellent coach, because up to this point, there's no way to tell if he is or not.

Also, while Trevor Matich may be right about this, the guy is still a hack.

I can tell you this is the worst linebacker corp we have had in some time.

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Oct 6, 2011 6:01pm

krambman;924017 wrote:I also don't understand why everyone thinks that Vrabel should be retained by the next coach. They guy has been a coach for less than half a season. I can only assume that it's because of his name and not because they think he's an excellent coach, because up to this point, there's no way to tell if he is or not.

Incredible leadership skills, work ethic, and football intelligence.

Bill Belichick wrote:Mike Vrabel is as well-suited for coaching as any player I have ever coached. He has a tremendous feel for people, players, coaches and what his team needs regardless of the situation. He is outstanding in his knowledge of the game, which contributed to his excellence as a player. I have no doubt Mike will develop tough, intelligent, fundamentally sound winners

Scott Pioli wrote:He is a champion in every sense of the word and I’m confident all of these qualities will make him a great coach

I don't think there's any doubt that he's going to be a damn good coach.

Writerbuckeye

Posts: 4,745

Oct 6, 2011 6:19pm

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bellichick said glowing things about Weis and Romeo when they got other coaching gigs, too. Means absolutely nothing.

If anyone on the current staff stays, it should be Heacock, for all the reasons said above. OSU has had some really great defenses and defensive schemes with him. I would hope whoever comes in is smart enough to beg him to stay.

Other than Heacock, I can't think of one other coach who is a "must" keep in my view. If the new coach believes Vrabel might be good for recruiting or shows promise as a LB coach, then I have no problem with it; but it's way too soon to know whether he's good at coaching or anything else.

-Society-

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Oct 6, 2011 6:21pm

Pick6;924022 wrote:I can tell you this is the worst linebacker corp we have had in some time.

Mulva;924073 wrote:Incredible leadership skills, work ethic, and football intelligence.

I don't think there's any doubt that he's going to be a damn good coach.

This is krabman we are talking about. He/She isn't exactly one that would know much about football, especially on the field.

Mulva

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Oct 6, 2011 6:26pm

Writerbuckeye;924103 wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bellichick said glowing things about Weis and Romeo when they got other coaching gigs, too. Means absolutely nothing.

And both of those guys are very good coaches, so I'm not sure what point that serves. They just weren't suited to be a head coach.

Nobody is calling for Vrabel to be instantly promoted or anything, but if you don't think he has all the makings of a great coach and a guy worth keeping around going forward then I would say you're nuts.

Obviously it's going to be the choice of whoever gets hired, but I don't think it's hard to see why a lot of fans want to see him kept around.

-Society-

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Oct 6, 2011 7:44pm

Writerbuckeye;924103 wrote: Other than Heacock, I can't think of one other coach who is a "must" keep in my view.

Your view is one of another "journalist" and we have all seen how accurate and important those viewpoints have been. So, STFU.

thedynasty1998

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Oct 6, 2011 9:13pm

Chris Speilman had all the same characteristics as Vrabel, and was a horrible coach. Never understood why people can't separate that success on the field doesn't translate to success off it. More often than not it doesn't translate.

Writerbuckeye

Posts: 4,745

Oct 6, 2011 11:06pm

-Society-;924177 wrote:Your view is one of another "journalist" and we have all seen how accurate and important those viewpoints have been. So, STFU.

I'm not a journalist, dumb ass.

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vball10set

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Oct 7, 2011 8:21am

Heretic;923924 wrote:Following up the TV announcer last Saturday calling it "staggeringly pathetic". GREAT!!!

this, along with "plausible deniability", are now my two favorite types of indirect speech :thumbup:

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georgemc80

Posts: 983

Oct 7, 2011 9:20am

Leads to an interesting question....would you rather have an amazing offense and a horrible defense...ala...Michigan a few years ago.....or a stout defense but an anemic offense?

I think I pick Michigan's way of sucking compared to the way OSU is sucking. At least you have a chance to outscore somebody.

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ksig489

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Oct 7, 2011 10:03am

If Vrabel is teaching the LBs to be fundamentally sound...then what constitutes a fundamentally sound LB has dramatically changed.

Scarlet_Buckeye

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Oct 7, 2011 10:06am

BigAppleBuckeye;923923 wrote:but the fact that Jim Bollman still has a job is simply amazing to me.

Reps.

Scarlet_Buckeye

Posts: 5,264

Oct 7, 2011 10:07am

Pick6;924022 wrote:I can tell you this is the worst linebacker corp we have had in some time.

I said that this off-season and I was ripped to pieces for saying so.

OneBuckeye said

These kids were highly recruited coming out of school. Sweat played great last year out of position. Klein played well in limited action.

... on 8/17/2011 in the Ohio State 2011 Off-Season Discussion, post# 1185

krambman

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Oct 7, 2011 11:06am

Mulva;924073 wrote:Incredible leadership skills, work ethic, and football intelligence.

These things don't necessarily translate to being a great coach. To be a coach is to be a teacher. There are lots of people who have leadership skills, work ethic, and intelligence in their job, but don't make good trainers.

This is his first job at any level and he's only coached five games so far. The body of work for his as a coach is so small at this point that it's impossible for any outsider to make a determination as to whether or not he's a good coach.

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centralbucksfan

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Oct 7, 2011 2:31pm

thedynasty1998;924275 wrote:Chris Speilman had all the same characteristics as Vrabel, and was a horrible coach. Never understood why people can't separate that success on the field doesn't translate to success off it. More often than not it doesn't translate.

Horrible coach? For the arena league for what, one or two seasons? Who gives a shit about arena. I highly doubt that would define anyone as a coach. I'd take Speilman as an asst coach for the LB's any day. And how can you say that being a successful player at the highest level doesnt' translate when in fact, almost all coaches played at some level. And I'd venture to say, most were pretty successful! What an ignorant statement!! lol

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sportchampps

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Oct 7, 2011 2:36pm

Osu d has never been the problem

Mulva

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Oct 7, 2011 4:00pm

krambman;924916 wrote:The body of work for his as a coach is so small at this point that it's impossible for any outsider to make a determination as to whether or not he's a good coach.

I didn't say he was already a good coach. I said he has all of the makings of a good coach (and some pretty highly regarded football minds agree). I was addressing why it isn't surprising at all that a lot of fans would like to see him kept around on the next staff.

krambman

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Oct 8, 2011 1:11am

centralbucksfan;925135 wrote:Horrible coach? For the arena league for what, one or two seasons? Who gives a shit about arena. I highly doubt that would define anyone as a coach. I'd take Speilman as an asst coach for the LB's any day. And how can you say that being a successful player at the highest level doesnt' translate when in fact, almost all coaches played at some level. And I'd venture to say, most were pretty successful! What an ignorant statement!! lol

By your logic then every great players should go on to become a great coach. Obviously the vast majority of coaches played the game at some level, but most coaches were not great players. Steve Spurrier is about the only successful high-level head coach I can think of that was a great player (Heisman Trophy winner). Obviously you have to understand the game to both play it and coach it, but to be a great coach you have to also be a great teacher, and understanding the game doesn't mean you can teach/coach it. Being a great player =/= being a great coach. I have no idea how this is such a difficult concept for people.