Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Sep 26, 2011 10:08am
We need a teacher sex forum
http://gawker.com/5843742/teacher-fired-for-having-sex-with-adults-in-private
[h=1]Teacher Fired for Having Sex With Adults in Private[/h]Thirty-five-year-old Florida elementary school teacher Natalie Santagata was recently fired after someone surreptitiously sent her employer photos and videos depicting her "engaged in sex acts"... with consenting adults! She also might have smoked some weed in the videos! But we're not ruling out hand-rolled cigarettes, so let's just focus on the sex part!
The Sarasota Herald-Tribune tells us that in June 2011, the office of the Charlotte County School district—where Santagata had worked for the previous nine years, most recently as a fifth-grade teacher—received four photos and five videos featuring her performing various sex acts, including "graphic" ones. The videos were created in private places with no students or other minors present. After watching the videos (just once!), district officials noted in a report that Santagata "knew she was being filmed." Supposedly this means that she can't sue the person who distributed the vids—but also that should have predicted that eventually someone would mail them to her employers and random parents, and also post them on YouTube. This line of thinking is not victim-blaming, but assigning responsibility. Responsible adults are mistrustful of others, and also can predict the future.
In recommending Santagata's firing, Charlotte County Superintendent Doug Whittaker toldABC 7 that it was "a judgment call as to what goes on in a person's private life, as to have impact on their credibility and effectiveness in the classroom." One school official posited that the videos and pics could haunt Santagata for the rest of her (or the mailer)'s life, which could lead to some awkward classroom conversations and situations. Still not Santagata's fault, but a reasonable concern.
What isn't reasonable, however, is how school officials and the general public have criticized Santagata for her perceived moral shortcomings without condeming those of the person who sent her sex videos all over the county—which they ostensibly did to humiliate her and endanger her job. Wittaker told the Herald-Tribune that Santagata's "personal conduct (or misconduct) ... clearly rises to the statutory standard of moral turpitude" and "demonstrably impacted your effectiveness as a classroom teacher in our district." Santagata has identified the person who mailed the vids, yet no one seems to be concerned about their moral character or conduct. And unlike Santagata's smoking and sexing, that person's behavior has severely harmed another person.
Though some parents have come to Santagata's defense, others agree with the school district. As one local told NBC 2, "The scrutiny again is, who do we allow to teach our children?" Certainly not adults who have sex with other consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes! Florida—and America—can do better than that.
But seriously: No one says Santagata ever came to work high, presented her home movies in the classroom, or discussed drug use or sex in any inappropriate way. She tested negative in her last drug screening. Though reviews on her teaching are mixed—some parents praise her teaching abilities, while others harshly criticize them via anonymous blog comments—the same can be said about almost every teacher. And surely there are other teachers in Charlotte County with drug habits and sex tapes. But maybe we don't hear about their "moral turpitude" because they, unlike Santagata, have more fully digested the lesson learned by so many of America'scelebrities: that there are some things you really shouldn't tape.
http://gawker.com/5843742/teacher-fired-for-having-sex-with-adults-in-private
[h=1]Teacher Fired for Having Sex With Adults in Private[/h]Thirty-five-year-old Florida elementary school teacher Natalie Santagata was recently fired after someone surreptitiously sent her employer photos and videos depicting her "engaged in sex acts"... with consenting adults! She also might have smoked some weed in the videos! But we're not ruling out hand-rolled cigarettes, so let's just focus on the sex part!
The Sarasota Herald-Tribune tells us that in June 2011, the office of the Charlotte County School district—where Santagata had worked for the previous nine years, most recently as a fifth-grade teacher—received four photos and five videos featuring her performing various sex acts, including "graphic" ones. The videos were created in private places with no students or other minors present. After watching the videos (just once!), district officials noted in a report that Santagata "knew she was being filmed." Supposedly this means that she can't sue the person who distributed the vids—but also that should have predicted that eventually someone would mail them to her employers and random parents, and also post them on YouTube. This line of thinking is not victim-blaming, but assigning responsibility. Responsible adults are mistrustful of others, and also can predict the future.
In recommending Santagata's firing, Charlotte County Superintendent Doug Whittaker toldABC 7 that it was "a judgment call as to what goes on in a person's private life, as to have impact on their credibility and effectiveness in the classroom." One school official posited that the videos and pics could haunt Santagata for the rest of her (or the mailer)'s life, which could lead to some awkward classroom conversations and situations. Still not Santagata's fault, but a reasonable concern.
What isn't reasonable, however, is how school officials and the general public have criticized Santagata for her perceived moral shortcomings without condeming those of the person who sent her sex videos all over the county—which they ostensibly did to humiliate her and endanger her job. Wittaker told the Herald-Tribune that Santagata's "personal conduct (or misconduct) ... clearly rises to the statutory standard of moral turpitude" and "demonstrably impacted your effectiveness as a classroom teacher in our district." Santagata has identified the person who mailed the vids, yet no one seems to be concerned about their moral character or conduct. And unlike Santagata's smoking and sexing, that person's behavior has severely harmed another person.
Though some parents have come to Santagata's defense, others agree with the school district. As one local told NBC 2, "The scrutiny again is, who do we allow to teach our children?" Certainly not adults who have sex with other consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes! Florida—and America—can do better than that.
But seriously: No one says Santagata ever came to work high, presented her home movies in the classroom, or discussed drug use or sex in any inappropriate way. She tested negative in her last drug screening. Though reviews on her teaching are mixed—some parents praise her teaching abilities, while others harshly criticize them via anonymous blog comments—the same can be said about almost every teacher. And surely there are other teachers in Charlotte County with drug habits and sex tapes. But maybe we don't hear about their "moral turpitude" because they, unlike Santagata, have more fully digested the lesson learned by so many of America'scelebrities: that there are some things you really shouldn't tape.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 26, 2011 10:16am
pics or gtfo
osudarby08
Posts: 734
Sep 26, 2011 11:05am
Lol same last name as one of my high school football coaches (head coach there now). It would be pretty hilarious if they ended up being related.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Sep 26, 2011 11:07am
This should be standard on teacher threads by now...FatHobbit;911629 wrote:pics or gtfo
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Sep 26, 2011 11:32am
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McFly1955
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Sep 26, 2011 12:08pm
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Sep 26, 2011 12:08pm
I didn't read it in your original post, but the videos ended up all over the internet (supposedly) as well as being mailed to several parents within the school district.
So, the videos ended up in the public. I can understand the firing then...
So, the videos ended up in the public. I can understand the firing then...
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Sep 26, 2011 12:17pm
This is fuckin funny.....osudarby08;911673 wrote:Lol same last name as one of my high school football coaches (head coach there now). It would be pretty hilarious if they ended up being related.
Even better if he has dirty knees.....
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 26, 2011 12:33pm
We have to be responsible for our decisions. She made a decision that had negative consequences. I'm sorry, but anyone who allows themselves to be videotaped doing those things better be damn sure the videos will never be made public.
We can debate about whether the public is overly prudish and whether this really makes her unfit to teach. But from the perspective of the Superintendent, he really had no choice.
We can debate about whether the public is overly prudish and whether this really makes her unfit to teach. But from the perspective of the Superintendent, he really had no choice.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 26, 2011 1:11pm
There is no debate. The US population is ridiculously conservative on these matters.gut;911773 wrote:We have to be responsible for our decisions. She made a decision that had negative consequences. I'm sorry, but anyone who allows themselves to be videotaped doing those things better be damn sure the videos will never be made public.
We can debate about whether the public is overly prudish and whether this really makes her unfit to teach. But from the perspective of the Superintendent, he really had no choice.
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bo shemmy3337
Posts: 962
Sep 26, 2011 1:18pm
I think her doing drugs on tape would be grounds but of course I think they should make her take a piss test first.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 26, 2011 1:25pm
Fucking teachers having sex. A disgrace to the profession. I would not piss on her if she were, you know, into watersports.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 26, 2011 1:44pm
Link? I need to see this video before i decide if this was justified.OSH;911758 wrote:I didn't read it in your original post, but the videos ended up all over the internet (supposedly) as well as being mailed to several parents within the school district.
So, the videos ended up in the public. I can understand the firing then...
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 26, 2011 1:45pm
Well, ok, poor choice of words. What I meant to say is, prudishness aside, is that even the issue? Maybe the would be the case of a guy fired from his sales job, but a teacher? Obviously an 11-yr old that googles his teacher getting gang-banged is not mature enough to respect his teacher and learn without being distracted. Heck, high school kids would probably be even worse.I Wear Pants;911787 wrote:There is no debate. The US population is ridiculously conservative on these matters.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 26, 2011 1:51pm
So can we fire teachers that drink and smoke now because those are activities we might not want students to see or think is acceptable either?gut;911815 wrote:Well, ok, poor choice of words. What I meant to say is, prudishness aside, is that even the issue? Maybe the would be the case of a guy fired from his sales job, but a teacher? Obviously an 11-yr old that googles his teacher getting gang-banged is not mature enough to respect his teacher and learn without being distracted. Heck, high school kids would probably be even worse.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 26, 2011 1:52pm
NO! They must be perfect. And smart. And never make mistakes.I Wear Pants;911819 wrote:So can we fire teachers that drink and smoke now because those are activities we might not want students to see or think is acceptable either?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 26, 2011 2:10pm
There is a 100% chance that the superintendant fapped to the video.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 26, 2011 2:31pm
No, I think it has more to do with the video of her getting high and then getting banged. And, no, I don't think that's acceptable behavior for a teacher. If she wants to do that in private, fine, but make sure it stays private. The problem here is the video makes little difference than if she had done it all right their on her desk in the classroom.I Wear Pants;911819 wrote:So can we fire teachers that drink and smoke now because those are activities we might not want students to see or think is acceptable either?
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Sep 26, 2011 2:31pm
The only video I saw was clips from a news station of her lighting it up. But they had parents saying they received the videos as well as the district.FatHobbit;911814 wrote:Link? I need to see this video before i decide if this was justified.
There's a code of conduct to keep. Many places have that, a school district is no different. You can get fired from many places if you get caught doing things that are breaching the code of conduct. Public education is in place for a reason, if something hinders the educational process...then it's time to get rid of it -- it's similar to the dress codes, hair restrictions, etc. that school districts put into place.I Wear Pants;911819 wrote:So can we fire teachers that drink and smoke now because those are activities we might not want students to see or think is acceptable either?
It's really not that difficult to hold to a code of conduct. Heck, if you have a problem with it...just don't get videotaped or get pictures taken of you. Do it in private and stay away from people who may blackmail you...like the anonymous mailer of the videos of this teacher.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 26, 2011 2:32pm
People lose their job over major mistakes all the time. Why should a teacher be any different? Because she has a union?FatHobbit;911820 wrote:NO! They must be perfect. And smart. And never make mistakes.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 26, 2011 2:43pm
My point was outside of school.OSH;911846 wrote:The only video I saw was clips from a news station of her lighting it up. But they had parents saying they received the videos as well as the district.
There's a code of conduct to keep. Many places have that, a school district is no different. You can get fired from many places if you get caught doing things that are breaching the code of conduct. Public education is in place for a reason, if something hinders the educational process...then it's time to get rid of it -- it's similar to the dress codes, hair restrictions, etc. that school districts put into place.
It's really not that difficult to hold to a code of conduct. Heck, if you have a problem with it...just don't get videotaped or get pictures taken of you. Do it in private and stay away from people who may blackmail you...like the anonymous mailer of the videos of this teacher.
If I was a teacher and someone sent a video of me getting drunk at a bar over the summer into the school would it be right if I got fired?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 26, 2011 2:49pm
Is this really a major mistake? It definitely wasn't at work and she didn't bring it to work.gut;911848 wrote:People lose their job over major mistakes all the time. Why should a teacher be any different? Because she has a union?
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berry
Posts: 475
Sep 26, 2011 3:02pm
This leaves a huge gap to be filled in the Bang Boosters too.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 26, 2011 3:08pm
Should Obama be fired ? 
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Sep 26, 2011 3:33pm
I know you meant outside of school.I Wear Pants;911857 wrote:My point was outside of school.
If I was a teacher and someone sent a video of me getting drunk at a bar over the summer into the school would it be right if I got fired?
People view getting drunk differently than an illegal activity (smoking marijuana). Teachers get reprimanded all the time for DUIs and such that happen outside of school. If a teacher is filmed doing an illegal activity (like smoking marijuana) why isn't it alright to fire them? That stuff lingers forever and ever. Heck, it could be 5 years later and some student finds out about it and it comes back around. People just have to be smarter when putting themselves in a position of leadership (especially with kids) and the activities they partake in.