SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Sep 16, 2011 11:02am
Okay...I thought I knew a lot about football. Obviously I don't know enough. I am calling a game tonight (radio) and I'm putting together my "scouting reports" to use for the broadcast.
In one HC's starting defensive line-up he lists one player as a "Hawk" and one player as a "Jack."
They run a 4-2 look. 4 DL, 2 LB's...then this "hawk" and "jack."
Does anyone know what the fuck they are so I can pass the information along to our 4 listeners?
I'm assuming they are like a LB/CB hybrid. Play as LB's on running/blitzing plays and CB on passing/coverage plays...but that is a total guess. Don't know if this helps...but the hawk is averaging 8 tackles per game and has 3 INT's in 3 games.
I'm too ashamed to ask the coach...
Reps to whomever can answer this the best and provides some type of backing behind it's validity.
In one HC's starting defensive line-up he lists one player as a "Hawk" and one player as a "Jack."
They run a 4-2 look. 4 DL, 2 LB's...then this "hawk" and "jack."
Does anyone know what the fuck they are so I can pass the information along to our 4 listeners?
I'm assuming they are like a LB/CB hybrid. Play as LB's on running/blitzing plays and CB on passing/coverage plays...but that is a total guess. Don't know if this helps...but the hawk is averaging 8 tackles per game and has 3 INT's in 3 games.
I'm too ashamed to ask the coach...
Reps to whomever can answer this the best and provides some type of backing behind it's validity.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 16, 2011 11:04am
My guess is that they are the outside "LB's." They will switch sides based on the offensive alignment. One could act as a 3rd linebacker, and one could act as a strong safety. Your other three would be your CB, CB, and FS.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 16, 2011 11:06am
Never heard of hawk and jack, maybe its just their own terminology? I've also never heard of a team running a 4-2 front. That would leave 5 defensive back positions so I doubt those two are LB/DB hybrids. Could just be jack lines up in the strong side of the offensive formation and hawk goes to the weak side.
Edit: misread op, probably just different names for field/boundary corners or free/strong safety.
Edit: misread op, probably just different names for field/boundary corners or free/strong safety.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Sep 16, 2011 11:10am
I would love to see someone jack a hawk... 
But then again, I guess I don't know jack....
But then again, I guess I don't know jack....
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Sep 16, 2011 11:12am
Someone rep me...I got the balls to ask the coach. Here's a lesson for everyone and his explanation via email: "Yes they are a cross between a SS and LB. We can go with a 4-4 look at times, or stay in the 4-2."
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 16, 2011 11:13am
Sounds like an effective defense.
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Dthane
Posts: 169
Sep 16, 2011 11:16am
Sounds like a fancy name for a 4-4, aka they may not be able to stop the run with 7 inside and 4 dbs, so they add a lb/db hybrid into the box. Sounds like hawk is weakside (no te side) and jack is strongside (te side). Hopefully 3 out of the 4 listeners will understand your vivid descriptions, plus it gives you something to talk about while coaches take all 25 seconds to send in the plays.
You can look up the bear defense from the 80s and the dolphin D from the 70s (5-3) and check your xbox/ps games and see if they found it on one of those games. Could be a nickel package like karen lotz says, and on run plays they put bigger kids in those spots, with faster db kids in on passing plays. Let us know.
You can look up the bear defense from the 80s and the dolphin D from the 70s (5-3) and check your xbox/ps games and see if they found it on one of those games. Could be a nickel package like karen lotz says, and on run plays they put bigger kids in those spots, with faster db kids in on passing plays. Let us know.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 16, 2011 11:23am
4-2-5 defensive
Strong defensive for a spread offensive team
strong safety (Monster back) could be called a "hawk" playing the wide side of the field
"Jack" in this case is the strong linebacker mirroring ( goes where he goes) on one running back and moving to that side of the field
The 4-2-5 plus more speeded on the filed and less reading of keys and more on stopping individual player on a spread offensive team
Strong defensive for a spread offensive team
strong safety (Monster back) could be called a "hawk" playing the wide side of the field
"Jack" in this case is the strong linebacker mirroring ( goes where he goes) on one running back and moving to that side of the field
The 4-2-5 plus more speeded on the filed and less reading of keys and more on stopping individual player on a spread offensive team
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 16, 2011 11:23am
Wouldn't that be the Will and the Sam...Dthane;898403 wrote:Sounds like hawk is weakside (no te side) and jack is strongside (te side).
Curly J
Posts: 7,282
Sep 16, 2011 11:29am
That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ??? 
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Sep 16, 2011 11:37am
Here's a pick of the famed Orka back...
I gotta a feeling If I paid to see this game I'd want my moneyback.....
I gotta a feeling If I paid to see this game I'd want my moneyback.....
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Sep 16, 2011 11:43am
Mike SingletaryCurly J;898418 wrote:That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ???
Will Herring
Sam Mills
Like fucking, duh?!?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 16, 2011 11:46am
I got it right.SnotBubbles;898399 wrote:Someone rep me...I got the balls to ask the coach. Here's a lesson for everyone and his explanation via email: "Yes they are a cross between a SS and LB. We can go with a 4-4 look at times, or stay in the 4-2."
Curly J
Posts: 7,282
Sep 16, 2011 11:49am
Thanks, or That's as I sometimes type it. (I know what I meant)SnotBubbles;898440 wrote:Mike Singletary
Will Herring
Sam Mills
Like fucking, duh?!?
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 16, 2011 1:43pm
Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.
1_beast
Posts: 5,642
Sep 16, 2011 1:59pm
Beast was a Monster back.....Tiernan;898575 wrote:Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 16, 2011 2:07pm
Just try not to go into five minute spiels about how you wish you were the quarterback in back on that hunky bent-over center. I know it will be hard for you.
thePITman
Posts: 3,867
Sep 16, 2011 2:09pm
I was "Monster"/OLB back in Junior High/High School, too.1_beast;898615 wrote:Beast was a Monster back.....
1_beast
Posts: 5,642
Sep 16, 2011 2:12pm
Beast led team in tackles 3 years....only responsibility....end blocks down...shut down the option or sweep....end pass blocks or blocks out....find ball and kill
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 16, 2011 2:34pm
TCU runs a 4-2-5 base defense.karen lotz;898386 wrote:Never heard of hawk and jack, maybe its just their own terminology? I've also never heard of a team running a 4-2 front. That would leave 5 defensive back positions so I doubt those two are LB/DB hybrids. Could just be jack lines up in the strong side of the offensive formation and hawk goes to the weak side.
Edit: misread op, probably just different names for field/boundary corners or free/strong safety.
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Sonofanump
Sep 16, 2011 2:45pm
I’d think the Hawk covers the pass strong side and the Jack lines up on the run strong side.</SPAN>
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Sep 16, 2011 5:45pm
Who else would love to hear snot call a game on the radio two and a half hours with no references to penises, young girls, or a frothy walrus. Priceless.
password
Posts: 2,360
Sep 16, 2011 6:21pm
Who do we call when he announces that he would PIIHB when the other announcer comments about the coaches wife always attending the games to show her support for the team?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 16, 2011 7:22pm
Who would give you a microphone?
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Sep 16, 2011 8:12pm
Curly J;898418 wrote:That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ???
Tiernan;898575 wrote:Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.
Ah yes, Sports and Lady. I have a feeling he knows little about both.