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Jun 18, 2011 6:34 PM
lhslep134;805854 wrote:You don't know what really happened at YSU. Ask Ray Isaac, he was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he was sure that Tressel had NO IDEA about his illegal dealings with Monus.

It's getting really freaking annoying all of these people bringing up YSU when they have no clue what really happened. Funny how between the university Pres, the AD, Tressel, and Monus, Tressel was the only one to not get in trouble. Hm....

If you would like to know what really happened at YSU, feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to tell you. My father and some of his associates did legitimate business with Monus and I can enlighten you as to Tressel's innocence.
Tressel just conveniently didn't know about any of this that seemed to happen quite often while he was coaching. Either he is lying or is inept at maintaining some sort of discipline over his players. Either way, he has to be let go. You're right, Tressel didn't get in trouble while at YSU, but he did at Ohio State. It finally caught up with him.

If I cared enough I'd ask him myself as we will be at a wedding in which my cousin is marrying his niece. However, I don't feel it is appropriate seeing as he is not the Ohio State football coach anymore. It is over with. I don't think less of Tressel as a man and he is not the coach, so it doesn't matter anymore.
karen lotz;805865 wrote:Similar to how Clarett recently said Tressel knew nothing of his improper benefits.
Exactly. Tressel seemed to not know what was going on even though it continually seemed to happen under his reign and players were caught often. Yet he didn't know about it. He didn't want to know about it, that I'll give to the defenders of Tressel.
Jun 18, 2011 6:34pm
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Jun 18, 2011 6:49 PM
You do realize there are over 100 players in most major college programs at any given time, right? You have close to 85 on scholarship and then close to another 15 or so who are walk ons.

Do you really think a major college coach, with all the things he has to oversee, is going to be able to know what every single player is up to? If you do, you're not being honest. Even with a good staff and compliance department, it's still very hard to check up on every single player.

If someone is intent on getting away with receiving extra benefits, I'm sure it's not too difficult to do. We've heard plenty of stories after the fact about players who ended up taking things they admitted to years later.

Tressel not knowing in any of these cases isn't difficult to believe. It's not difficult to believe any coach could miss them. Heck, it's THREE players over a coaching career of 20 plus years (four if you include Troy Smith).

What of course isn't forgivable (in the keep your job sense) was lying about it. But not knowing? That's very believable.
Jun 18, 2011 6:49pm
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Jun 18, 2011 7:33 PM
Writerbuckeye;806332 wrote:You do realize there are over 100 players in most major college programs at any given time, right? You have close to 85 on scholarship and then close to another 15 or so who are walk ons.

Do you really think a major college coach, with all the things he has to oversee, is going to be able to know what every single player is up to? If you do, you're not being honest. Even with a good staff and compliance department, it's still very hard to check up on every single player.

If someone is intent on getting away with receiving extra benefits, I'm sure it's not too difficult to do. We've heard plenty of stories after the fact about players who ended up taking things they admitted to years later.

Tressel not knowing in any of these cases isn't difficult to believe. It's not difficult to believe any coach could miss them. Heck, it's THREE players over a coaching career of 20 plus years (four if you include Troy Smith).

What of course isn't forgivable (in the keep your job sense) was lying about it. But not knowing? That's very believable.

Agree with all of this. I seriously doubt that there many "dirty" coaches. The time these guys devote to coaching, let alone all the public stuff, doesn't leave much time to double as a private investigator. Coaches tend to get a bad rap on the transgressions of their players.
Jun 18, 2011 7:33pm
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Jun 18, 2011 7:36 PM
Writerbuckeye;806332 wrote:You do realize there are over 100 players in most major college programs at any given time, right? You have close to 85 on scholarship and then close to another 15 or so who are walk ons.

Do you really think a major college coach, with all the things he has to oversee, is going to be able to know what every single player is up to? If you do, you're not being honest. Even with a good staff and compliance department, it's still very hard to check up on every single player.

If someone is intent on getting away with receiving extra benefits, I'm sure it's not too difficult to do. We've heard plenty of stories after the fact about players who ended up taking things they admitted to years later.

Tressel not knowing in any of these cases isn't difficult to believe. It's not difficult to believe any coach could miss them. Heck, it's THREE players over a coaching career of 20 plus years (four if you include Troy Smith).

What of course isn't forgivable (in the keep your job sense) was lying about it. But not knowing? That's very believable.

I get what you're saying, but when you're the highest-paid public employee in the entire state of Ohio, you can be more vigilant than he was. Of course, if you're Tressel (or another coach), why WOULD you be vigilant and cognizant of what is going on. Honestly, it wasn't that hard to crack the Pryor case. How was he living in his uber-nice apartment in the Short North? Why is he showing up to practices in different cars that are all incredibly nice. How did he pay for that tattoo? How did he pay for all of those tattoos?

Tressel and others choose not to look. You show me a coach who is intentionally catching his players breaking rules, and I'll show you a coach who is about to lose some major recruiting battles.

Still though, I've coached high school football. But knew which players were smoking weed, were drinking, who was most likely to be the one stealing in the locker room, who has family issues, who is the one whom all of the kids copy their math homework off of, etc. The general conversations going on in and out of the locker room and showers tell a lot. It's really not that hard if you're willing to look.
Jun 18, 2011 7:36pm
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Jun 18, 2011 7:45 PM
Tobias Fünke;806346 wrote:Still though, I've coaches high school football. But knew which players were smoking weed, were drinking, who was most likely to be the one stealing in the locker room, who has family issues, who is the one whom all of the kids copy their math homework off of, etc. The general conversations going on in and out of the locker room and showers tell a lot. It's really not that hard if you're willing to look.

Also agree with this, but it is a completely different story to go looking for evidence to bust someone. When you knew the kids that smoked pot or drank, did you follow them to parties so you could catch them breaking team rules?
Jun 18, 2011 7:45pm
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Jun 18, 2011 7:55 PM
Agreed and hell no, I was drinking underage at the time too! hahaha But I did go out of my way to tell them to party AFTER the season.

But I've never seen the NCAA rule someone to be ineligible for smoking or drinking. It's a monetary matter and that is pretty serious.
Jun 18, 2011 7:55pm
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Jun 18, 2011 9:35 PM
It finally caught up to him. He played dumb at YSU and did the same at OSU. For you guys that say he knew nothing about what was going on you're clueless. Everyone at YSU knew that the players were given benefits and perks but Tressel played dumb. Trust me it will get worse at OSU because it was at YSU.
Jun 18, 2011 9:35pm
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Jun 19, 2011 12:51 AM
cougardad7;806434 wrote:It finally caught up to him. He played dumb at YSU and did the same at OSU. For you guys that say he knew nothing about what was going on you're clueless. Everyone at YSU knew that the players were given benefits and perks but Tressel played dumb. Trust me it will get worse at OSU because it was at YSU.

Ok we will trust you. You're a new reliable source.
Jun 19, 2011 12:51am
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Jun 19, 2011 7:41 AM
cougardad7;806434 wrote:It finally caught up to him. He played dumb at YSU and did the same at OSU. For you guys that say he knew nothing about what was going on you're clueless. Everyone at YSU knew that the players were given benefits and perks but Tressel played dumb. Trust me it will get worse at OSU because it was at YSU.

Really? You're from Youngstown and knew what happened like I do? Please enlighten me oh wise sage.
Jun 19, 2011 7:41am
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Jun 19, 2011 8:10 AM
Like anything that I say will enlighten you or change you from being in such denial. If you went to YSU during that time period and say that their program did not have a lot of shady things going on them no one can help you. Fixing grades, players having the actual test, players selling drugs, players having jobs that they never showed up to but yet they still were paid, etc. I'm a big Tressel fan but I don't put ordinary human beings on the level that most of you put him.
Jun 19, 2011 8:10am
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Jun 19, 2011 9:47 AM
cougardad7;806526 wrote:Like anything that I say will enlighten you or change you from being in such denial. If you went to YSU during that time period and say that their program did not have a lot of shady things going on them no one can help you. Fixing grades, players having the actual test, players selling drugs, players having jobs that they never showed up to but yet they still were paid, etc. I'm a big Tressel fan but I don't put ordinary human beings on the level that most of you put him.

Such denial? I never said YSU was clean. In fact I'm 100% certain I mentioned the YSU prez, AD, and Monus all being guilty. But isn't it funny how Tressel was never found guilty of anything, and the "dirtiest" player of them all Ray Isaac came out and said Tressel had no idea what was going on .
Jun 19, 2011 9:47am
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Jun 19, 2011 11:06 AM
cougardad7;806526 wrote:Like anything that I say will enlighten you or change you from being in such denial. If you went to YSU during that time period and say that their program did not have a lot of shady things going on them no one can help you. Fixing grades, players having the actual test, players selling drugs, players having jobs that they never showed up to but yet they still were paid, etc. I'm a big Tressel fan but I don't put ordinary human beings on the level that most of you put him.

Why were players selling drugs when they were making money off jobs they never showed up to?
Jun 19, 2011 11:06am
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Jun 19, 2011 11:20 AM
SportsAndLady;806566 wrote:Why were players selling drugs when they were making money off jobs they never showed up to?

So you honestly believe that I'm talking about a small group of players? SMDH
Jun 19, 2011 11:20am
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Jun 19, 2011 11:33 AM
cougardad7;806572 wrote:So you honestly believe that I'm talking about a small group of players? SMDH

Call me confused but I believe what you are trying to say is some sold drugs others collected paychecks through jobs they weren't working?

If that's the case, why would you sell drugs when you can just sit back do nothing and collect a paycheck?
Jun 19, 2011 11:33am
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Jun 19, 2011 11:50 AM
cougardad7;806434 wrote:It finally caught up to him. He played dumb at YSU and did the same at OSU. For you guys that say he knew nothing about what was going on you're clueless. Everyone at YSU knew that the players were given benefits and perks but Tressel played dumb. Trust me it will get worse at OSU because it was at YSU.

Ty Webb/Gibby/Mike Clark/etc.?
Jun 19, 2011 11:50am
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Jun 19, 2011 11:59 AM
SportsAndLady;806580 wrote:Call me confused but I believe what you are trying to say is some sold drugs others collected paychecks through jobs they weren't working?

If that's the case, why would you sell drugs when you can just sit back do nothing and collect a paycheck?

Because some people may not want to be a criminal and sell drugs. Mean while getting paid for a job you didn't do isn't jail worthy. The fact that you can't figure this out is hysterical.
Jun 19, 2011 11:59am
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Jun 19, 2011 12:08 PM
vball10set;806589 wrote:Ty Webb/Gibby/Mike Clark/etc.?

? I'm guessing these are people who have been OSU haters? I don't hate OSU I just think you guys need to get your heads out of the sand here.
Jun 19, 2011 12:08pm
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Jun 19, 2011 12:10 PM
cougardad7;806593 wrote:Because some people may not want to be a criminal and sell drugs. Mean while getting paid for a job you didn't do isn't jail worthy. The fact that you can't figure this out is hysterical.

Actually you're the one who can't figure it out moron...I'm saying why would they sell drugs and risk criminal charges when they can just collect a paycheck for doing no work, with no risk of criminal charges?
Jun 19, 2011 12:10pm
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Jun 19, 2011 12:13 PM
cougardad7;806594 wrote:I just think you guys need to get your heads out of the sand here.

Lol you don't think we know some shady shit was/is goin on at osu? You think cuz what? You're a ysu fan you are the only ones who know illegal stuff is happening in college sports?
Jun 19, 2011 12:13pm
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Jun 19, 2011 12:52 PM
SportsAndLady;806595 wrote:Actually you're the one who can't figure it out moron...I'm saying why would they sell drugs and risk criminal charges when they can just collect a paycheck for doing no work, with no risk of criminal charges?

So now I'm a moron? I have no clue why there were guys who sold drugs vs guys that got paid off of the fake job I never cared enough to ask. What I'm essentially saying is there is no way that Tressel had no clue of what was going on at either school. Also when did I say that I or any other fan are the only ones aware of illegal stuff.
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Jun 19, 2011 1:15 PM
cougardad7;806594 wrote:? I'm guessing these are people who have been OSU haters?.

yes, in a sense-- but really just an individual with multiple user names who talks out his ass--sound familiar?
Jun 19, 2011 1:15pm
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Jun 19, 2011 1:50 PM
Trust me I only need one user name. But keep deflecting clown.
Jun 19, 2011 1:50pm
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Jun 19, 2011 1:53 PM
cougardad7;806649 wrote:Trust me I only need one user name. But keep deflecting clown.

class, pure class :rolleyes:
Jun 19, 2011 1:53pm
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Jun 19, 2011 3:19 PM
Well this took a turn for worse...
Jun 19, 2011 3:19pm
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Jun 19, 2011 3:23 PM
vball10set;806617 wrote:yes, in a sense-- but really just an individual with multiple user names who talks out his ass--sound familiar?
vball10set;806651 wrote:class, pure class :rolleyes:

So you accuse me of being some annonymous poster amongst other things and I'm the one with no class?
Jun 19, 2011 3:23pm