rmolin73;805364 wrote: But once again what Tressel did is morally wrong as well, you can tell yourself all day everyday that it isn't but he lost his job because of it.
WebFire;805366 wrote:But as long as the rules allow it, what choice do they have? If St. Tressel coached in the SEC, he would have to do the same. Or not be there very long.
They have the choice not to do it. Florida won 2 NC's w/o oversigning.WebFire;805366 wrote:But as long as the rules allow it, what choice do they have? If St. Tressel coached in the SEC, he would have to do the same. Or not be there very long.
vball10set;804989 wrote:I never saw this coming from you, cbf...smh
SportsAndLady;805172 wrote:cbf thinks the sky is falling, no one listen to him.
lhslep134;805386 wrote:and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.
lhslep134;805386 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, why do you even stir the pot?
Anyways, he probably wouldn't be there very long. Tressel takes great pride in his relationship with his players and their parents to the point of fault (see his undying love for Pryor), and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.
Also, if you read my original post I wasn't talking about anything from the NCAA viewpoint on legality, I was speaking on behalf of morality.
ksig489;805417 wrote:WOW...if you havent figured out yet that Tressel is as corrupt as it gets and is capable of ANYTHING...you are either blind, clueless, or drinking the Kool-ade.
centralbucksfan;805452 wrote:I think your exaggerating a bit here. Corrupt IMO is flat out cheating in purpose. Paying recruits, getting agents involved, etc, etc. IMO, Tressel didn't intentionally cheat to get an advantage on the field. Yes, he turned a cheek the other way. Yes, he lacked discipline. I happen to believe Tressel is who he is and who we saw in TV. I believe he is a good man...to a FAULT. I believe his heart is too soft . He thinks he can save every kid. He doesn't want to see his players go through what they are going through right now. Was it cheating? Yes it was. Was he corrupt? That I don't believe.
WebFire;805431 wrote:How am I stirring the pot? Because I have a different view than you?
My point is that these coaches have no choice. They have to play the game if they are going to survive. Blame the rule, not the coaches.
And your BS about Tressel and lying is laughable.
Writerbuckeye;805480 wrote:If you're talking about oversigning in the SEC, about half the coaches don't do it, despite being able to do so. The biggest offenders are Alabama, LSU, Auburn and a few others. But Georgia, Florida and a couple others have stood up against it because they know it's simply morally wrong to play kids that way.
So yes, they DO have a choice. They also have a choice to force their league to drop the policy altogether and put a hard limit in place, like most of the rest of the country's conferences have done.
So your BS about the coaches not having a choice is laughable.
rmolin73;805388 wrote:Oh I'm sorry what Tressel "Patron Saint of Liars" did was not as morally wrong as oversigning. Now breath it will be ok.
We can agree to disagree. I think corrupt is too strong. We all know what he did. He turned the cheek, no question. But again, it wasn't like he was the one directly setting the players up to do these things. I know in a way, its all relative. But I view things differently as far as cheating goes. None is right. But there are different levels. And again, I do feel Tressels issue is that he thought he could save every kid and protected them to a fault. As Writer..I am not defending him either. I feel he should have resigned as he did. No question about that.dwccrew;805473 wrote:Come on man, I'm an Ohio State fan and even I think Tressel was corrupt. He knew about all this and knowingly withheld the information. That is deliberate and intentional. Factor that in with the trouble he had at YSU and we see a pattern of corruption develop.
What Tressel was really good at was convincing the public that he was this guy who didn't know what was going on and was just trying to protect his players. No, he knew and withheld the info. intentionally. Let's call a spade a spade here.
centralbucksfan;805403 wrote:Sorry pal. I live in the real world. If you don't think OSU isn't going to be hurt by whats going on...you are living in utopia. If you have a free ticket to your wonderful world...shoot it my way.
rmolin73;805277 wrote:Which is not the premier conference nor is OSU the premier school in the country especially comparing them to the SEC schools.
ksig489;805417 wrote:WOW...if you havent figured out yet that Tressel is as corrupt as it gets and is capable of ANYTHING...you are either blind, clueless, or drinking the Kool-ade.
centralbucksfan;805547 wrote:We can agree to disagree. I think corrupt is too strong. We all know what he did. He turned the cheek, no question. But again, it wasn't like he was the one directly setting the players up to do these things. I know in a way, its all relative. But I view things differently as far as cheating goes. None is right. But there are different levels. And again, I do feel Tressels issue is that he thought he could save every kid and protected them to a fault. As Writer..I am not defending him either. I feel he should have resigned as he did. No question about that.
lhslep134;805347 wrote:False.
WebFire;805431 wrote:How am I stirring the pot? Because I have a different view than you?
dwccrew;805473 wrote: Factor that in with the trouble he had at YSU and we see a pattern of corruption develop.
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Tobias Fünke;805754 wrote:Everything taken into account, it's pretty similar. Ohio State players get cash, as do SEC players. If you're going to use unproven-but-probably-true stories in the SEC, then you've also got to count guys like Santonio Holmes taking money from an unspecified agent. Ohio State and the SEC are not that far apart.