Archive WI Collective Barganing Law Upheld by State SC

fish82

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Jun 15, 2011 8:26am

Not overly surprising that they upheld it, but interesting that they chose to issue some rhetorical beatdown to Maryann Sumi along the way.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/123859034.html

Writerbuckeye

Posts: 4,745

Jun 15, 2011 11:34am

Wisconsin has done this right -- and the ruling is the right one.

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jun 15, 2011 12:07pm

Thank you. It is somewhat encouraging to know that at least a few states, Ohio included, are boldly attempting to bring fiscal sanity to their budgets and halt the raping of the taxpayer. It is long overdue.

Ty Webb

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Jun 15, 2011 12:32pm

And it will be overturned by vote in November...just like in Ohio

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fan_from_texas

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Jun 15, 2011 1:01pm

Ty Webb;803318 wrote:And it will be overturned by vote in November...just like in Ohio

Not particularly likely. Most moderates, myself included, support the law.

O-Trap

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Jun 15, 2011 1:05pm

fan_from_texas;803345 wrote:Not particularly likely. Most moderates, myself included, support the law.

I tend to see a lot of support for it among moderates here in Ohio as well. Seems like most of the supporters are either left-leaning or union workers themselves.

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fan_from_texas

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Jun 15, 2011 1:10pm

O-Trap;803351 wrote:I tend to see a lot of support for it among moderates here in Ohio as well. Seems like most of the supporters are either left-leaning or union workers themselves.

Many people either know teachers or are related to teachers, so few people are willing to speak out against it. But when we just had a Supreme Court election here, which was essentially a referendum on the law, the conservative justice won and cast the deciding vote in this case. It seems unlikely to me that if those on the left couldn't muster support when feelings were strong, they'll have a tougher time doing it later.

Ty Webb

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Jun 15, 2011 1:10pm

O-Trap;803351 wrote:I tend to see a lot of support for it among moderates here in Ohio as well. Seems like most of the supporters are either left-leaning or union workers themselves.

So what you're saying is the majority of supporters of SB5 here in Ohio are left leaning voters and union workers??

Are you high?

And I'm accused of making things up

O-Trap

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Jun 15, 2011 1:23pm

Ty Webb;803356 wrote:So what you're saying is the majority of supporters of SB5 here in Ohio are left leaning voters and union workers??

Are you high?

And I'm accused of making things up

I forgot the tense I was speaking in by the end of the sentence! LOL!

... I am ashamed ...

Ty Webb

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Jun 15, 2011 1:26pm

O-Trap;803384 wrote:I forgot the tense I was speaking in by the end of the sentence! LOL!

... I am ashamed ...

No problem....I didn't think you meant that but was sure

O-Trap

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Jun 15, 2011 1:34pm

Ty Webb;803391 wrote:No problem....I didn't think you meant that but was sure

Thanks for letting me know I sounded like a boob.

Q

QuakerOats

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Jun 15, 2011 1:37pm

Ty Webb;803318 wrote:And it will be overturned by vote in November...just like in Ohio

O-Trap

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Jun 15, 2011 2:12pm

QuakerOats;803413 wrote:No, not once the average voter becomes educated on the matter.

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/OurFirstRealChanceToFixOhio.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/WeShouldHaveDemandedThisYearsAgo.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/WhatitDoes.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/ReformingOhioEducationSystem.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/SpinVsTruth.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/WhatOpinionLeadersAreSaying.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/sites/default/files/facts/RewardingGoodTeachers&ImprovingOurSchools.pdf

http://www.betterohio.org/facts

Not gonna lie. This post reminds me of Bigdogg with the 18 links.

Ty Webb

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Jun 15, 2011 2:15pm

Quaker.....you're going to have to do an awful lot of convincing from the numbers I have seen....

Also...this has been out there for 6 months or so right...If its been out that long...dont you think would be about as educated as they are going to get on it?

fish82

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Jun 15, 2011 2:33pm

Ty Webb;803318 wrote:And it will be overturned by vote in November...just like in Ohio

So sayeth the King of Predictions. :rolleyes:

Keep pluggin' Gibbster...you're bound to get one right eventually.

Q

QuakerOats

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Jun 15, 2011 3:20pm

Ty Webb;803455 wrote:Quaker.....you're going to have to do an awful lot of convincing from the numbers I have seen....

Also...this has been out there for 6 months or so right...If its been out that long...dont you think would be about as educated as they are going to get on it?

No, it has not "been out there for 6 months"..... this organization was just formalized and the website developed; this is just the beginning. When the average Joe who pays 23% toward his insurance realizes that the public sector pays about 7%, I think they will know how to vote on this issue. At long last, the middle class taxpayer has an ally in the governor which will get the tax man off their backs.

believer

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Jun 15, 2011 4:38pm

Ty Webb;803455 wrote:Quaker.....you're going to have to do an awful lot of convincing from the numbers I have seen....

And we've all witnessed what happens with the numbers you see.

Glory Days

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Jun 15, 2011 5:11pm

QuakerOats;803541 wrote:No, it has not "been out there for 6 months"..... this organization was just formalized and the website developed; this is just the beginning. When the average Joe who pays 23% toward his insurance realizes that the public sector pays about 7%, I think they will know how to vote on this issue. At long last, the middle class taxpayer has an ally in the governor which will get the tax man off their backs.

maybe the average joe should work harder and negotiate better pay towards his insurance.

sleeper

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Jun 15, 2011 5:32pm

Good. One more step to the elimination of Unions.

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fan_from_texas

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Jun 15, 2011 6:11pm

Glory Days;803779 wrote:maybe the average joe should work harder and negotiate better pay towards his insurance.

Or maybe he should set up a system where he can vote for the people who are on the other side of the negotiating table?

Ty Webb

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Jun 15, 2011 6:24pm

QuakerOats;803541 wrote:No, it has not "been out there for 6 months"..... this organization was just formalized and the website developed; this is just the beginning. When the average Joe who pays 23% toward his insurance realizes that the public sector pays about 7%, I think they will know how to vote on this issue. At long last, the middle class taxpayer has an ally in the governor which will get the tax man off their backs.

So are you saying Bob Taft wasn't a friend of the tax payer

And I was referring to the bill itself.....not the website that Kasich wasted taxpayer money on

majorspark

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Jun 15, 2011 6:28pm

Glory Days;803779 wrote:maybe the average joe should work harder and negotiate better pay towards his insurance.

Its worked pretty well for me.

dwccrew

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Jun 15, 2011 9:16pm

Ty Webb;803318 wrote:And it will be overturned by vote in November...just like in Ohio

I'm not so sure it will be. It passed through the state legislature and then the state SC upheld the law. Going to be hard to convince enough people to overturn it.

Glory Days

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Jun 15, 2011 9:28pm

majorspark;803881 wrote:Its worked pretty well for me.

seems to be working even better for the unions only paying 7%.

majorspark

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Jun 15, 2011 9:39pm

Glory Days;804042 wrote:seems to be working even better for the unions only paying 7%.

I pay 0%.