Does it/should it stop at Tressel?

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queencitybuckeye

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May 31, 2011 9:40 AM
When I worked for a large organization, if I had vouched for one of my employees who screwed up, then it was found that the issue was far, far larger than first known, both my employee and I would be on the street. Should this be the case in this tOSU mess? Smith is on record as standing with JT as his coach, should he not fall with him as well?
May 31, 2011 9:40am
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May 31, 2011 9:42 AM
610 was talking about this going all the way to Gee. Not sure it woould hit Gordon, but Smith is on the hot seat for sure.
May 31, 2011 9:42am
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May 31, 2011 9:42 AM
One has to wonder if Tressel knew this info, did the assistants?
May 31, 2011 9:42am
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queencitybuckeye

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May 31, 2011 9:45 AM
dokken;786115 wrote:One has to wonder if Tressel knew this info, did the assistants?

Is there any evidence of that, or are you just carpet-bombing?
May 31, 2011 9:45am
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May 31, 2011 9:46 AM
queencitybuckeye;786117 wrote:Is there any evidence of that, or are you just carpet-bombing?

He asked a question.
May 31, 2011 9:46am
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May 31, 2011 9:46 AM
queencitybuckeye;786117 wrote:Is there any evidence of that, or are you just carpet-bombing?
How many assistants does OSU have? And none knew anything.
May 31, 2011 9:46am
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May 31, 2011 9:49 AM
Smith has to go for a couple reasons. One, because he is the AD and this happened under his watch, similar to your example. Two, his 11 day "investigation" was a joke and is likely to cost OSU dearly. Possibly with OSU getting slapped with the infamous LOIC.
May 31, 2011 9:49am
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May 31, 2011 9:51 AM
-Society-;786118 wrote:He asked a question.

Without evidence, it's a stupid question.
May 31, 2011 9:51am
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May 31, 2011 9:52 AM
queencitybuckeye;786127 wrote:Without evidence, it's a stupid question.

If there was evidence, it wouldn't be a question, no? Who's asking the stupid question?
May 31, 2011 9:52am
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May 31, 2011 9:53 AM
queencitybuckeye;786127 wrote:Without evidence, it's a stupid question.
So there needs to be proof to ask a question?
May 31, 2011 9:53am
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May 31, 2011 9:56 AM
dokken;786133 wrote:So there needs to be proof to ask a question?

Any comments on-topic?
May 31, 2011 9:56am
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May 31, 2011 9:57 AM
Smith should go for sure. Not sure if goes all the way to Gee.
May 31, 2011 9:57am
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May 31, 2011 9:58 AM
Are we talking about people ABOVE Tressel or BELOW Tressel? Gee and Smith are above him. People like Luke Fickell are/were below him. Which people are we talking about?
May 31, 2011 9:58am
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May 31, 2011 10:01 AM
dokken;786143 wrote:Are we talking about people ABOVE Tressel or BELOW Tressel? Gee and Smith are above him. People like Luke Fickell are/were below him. Which people are we talking about?

Above.
May 31, 2011 10:01am
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May 31, 2011 10:02 AM
queencitybuckeye;786145 wrote:Above.
Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure the assistants didn't know a thing anyway.
May 31, 2011 10:02am
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May 31, 2011 10:04 AM
Gene Smith is a pretty big deal for the NCAA, but I have to think if Tressel was responsible for knowing everything was going on, then so is Smith. Who does the compliance department answer to? I can't imagine it's Tressel.

I do think Gee is pretty safe.
May 31, 2011 10:04am
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May 31, 2011 10:04 AM
I hope not, or that means there is lack of institutional control. The only reason Tressel resigned is because the board was sick of the witch hunt the media is/was on and knew it wouldn't end until Tressel left. Smith will come out of this clean.
May 31, 2011 10:04am
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May 31, 2011 10:04 AM
dokken;786146 wrote:Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure the assistants didn't know a thing anyway.

They're probably all going to lose their jobs when OSU hires a new coach anyway.
May 31, 2011 10:04am
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May 31, 2011 10:05 AM
OneBuckeye;786149 wrote:I hope not, or that means there is lack of institutional control. The only reason Tressel resigned is because the board was sick of the witch hunt the media is/was on and knew it wouldn't end until Tressel left.


That is the worst reason I can think of for Tressel resigning.
OneBuckeye;786149 wrote:Smith will come out of this clean.

I have no doubt, but he is just as responsible IMHO.
May 31, 2011 10:05am
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Jun 1, 2011 1:29 PM
First of all, there's no evidence that Tressel knew about any of this prior to receiving the first email in April 2010. If you read the emails it appears that he had no idea about any of this before that. The SI article also only alleges that about 2% of the players over the past 8 years did this stuff, but doesn't really allege or provide any evidence that Tressel was aware of it.

There's also no evidence that Smith or Gee knew about that tattoos before last September, or that they knew about Tressel before March of this year.

Gee is absolutely safe and it's highly unlikely anything happens to Smith.
Jun 1, 2011 1:29pm
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Jun 1, 2011 1:35 PM
krambman;787703 wrote:First of all, there's no evidence that Tressel knew about any of this prior to receiving the first email in April 2010. If you read the emails it appears that he had no idea about any of this before that. The SI article also only alleges that about 2% of the players over the past 8 years did this stuff, but doesn't really allege or provide any evidence that Tressel was aware of it.
Agreed. The only thing we know for sure is that someone tipped Tressel off about a couple of players. (I think the email only named 2, but I'm not 100% positive.)
krambman;787703 wrote:There's also no evidence that Smith or Gee knew about that tattoos before last September, or that they knew about Tressel before March of this year.

Gee is absolutely safe and it's highly unlikely anything happens to Smith.

If they fired Tress for not knowing, how can the people above him be safe? They are just as guilty IMHO. (OK, maybe not as guilty because they didn't get an email.)
Jun 1, 2011 1:35pm
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Jun 1, 2011 1:37 PM
Gee: only if he steps down due to public backlash because he's the president of the university. In other words, I don't think he'll be forced out, but he might choose to go if things get shitty enough.

Smith: more of a possibility. If just because (from articles I've read), after the initial stuff came out, he announced they did a mere 11-day (app) investigation that determined that was an isolated incident and he was satisfied nothing else was amiss. Depending on how bad things potentially wind up as far as the NCAA goes (a big unknown), things could wind up getting bad for him.
Jun 1, 2011 1:37pm
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Jun 1, 2011 1:56 PM
Gee shouldn't go. His job as President of the University entails a lot more than just the football team. He's done way too many good things for OSU as a school and is world's better than his predecessor Holbrook.

Gene Smith should only go if OSU gets charged with LOIC...and that depends on this investigation into the new claims. A testimony from a convict alone isn't enough to cost Smith his job, especially given his position in college sports. Let's just say it won't look good if one of the few African-American AD's in the country gets fired....yea I said it.
Jun 1, 2011 1:56pm