they played nobody this is bullshit TCU or Cincy should be in the championship

The system is the problem.

Texas is just as deserving as TCU, Cincy, and Boise because they ALL went undefeated. They'll get the nod because of their name. That may not be right, but until there is a playoff, nothing will be fair.

Was OK State the best they beat? Very ho hum in the Big 12 this year. I would have 0 gripes with Cincy or TCU getting the nod.

Agreed. Texas in the Title game is a disgrace

Who did TCU beat that is better than who Texas has beaten? BYU is TCU's best win. Are they better than Oklahoma State? I doubt it, but maybe. Is it clear cut? Not at all.

Actually Clemson (at Clemson) is probably their best win. I was never sold on BYU.

Well, Clemson has 5 losses. I know Oklahoma State is better than Clemson. And Oklahoma State isn't even that good, but they are better than Clemson.

yes but difference is how TCU won they whooped almost everyones ass and they also beat #25 Utah along with #14 BYU

Rankings don't mean anything. How good are BYU and Utah? Hard to tell when they play 8-10 cupcakes.

Cleveland Buck wrote: Rankings don't mean anything. How good are BYU and Utah? Hard to tell when they play 8-10 cupcakes.

Rankings dont mean anything? Rankings mean everything it decides where everyone goes for bowl games

2quik4u wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote: Rankings don't mean anything. How good are BYU and Utah? Hard to tell when they play 8-10 cupcakes.

Rankings dont mean anything? Rankings mean everything it decides where everyone goes for bowl games

No, they don't. They determine who plays for the national championship. That's it.

2quik4u wrote: yes but difference is how TCU won they whooped almost everyones ass and they also beat #25 Utah along with #14 BYU

Yeah, like Air Force 20-17. Total annihilation! And Utah, the team that lost all three of its tough games. Or BYU, who was blown out by 6-6 Florida State.

Cincinnati has more quality wins than Texas for sure, but Texas will get the nod and Cincinnati will play Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

Here's the difference between Texas, TCU, and Boise State. Although Texas didn't play any real "great" teams this year, the ENTIRITY of their schedule is stronger than all of the other undefeateds (except maybe Cinci). The teams on TCU and Boise's schedules are a complete joke. I'll leave Cinci out of this because they played a better schedule than TCU and Boise. I can't stand the complaints for TCU and Boise. Until you play legitimate opponents, don't expect to be in the national championship. Utah and BYU? Really? C'mon guys. If those are the best quality wins on your resume, you can't expect a birth to the big dance. Yes, they all finished undefeated, but the computers don't lie come the end of the year. Would a playoff be more fitting, yes! Will we see it? NO. I'd like to say that Cinci probably deserves a shot, but its the Big East. Half of their contender teams would probably lose to mediocre Big 12 teams.

Haven't taken the time to do a final rundown of Texas and Cincy, but I don't think just saying, "It's the Big East" really stands up this year. The Big XII had some HORRIBLE losses and though I still think there's an express difference between the Big XII and say, the MWC or the WAC, I'm not so sure the Big XII has anything on the Big East.

Neither conference had many great wins, but the Big East also didn't have a lot of terrible losses. Pitt lost to NC State (upset, but a big six conference school) and Louisville to Utah (non-big six conference school) and that is about it for the terrible losses. The Big XII lost to BYU, Houston (twice), Colorado State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Toledo, etc.

^^All good points....I suppose it's too hard to speculate what the best outcome would be. I think everyone can agree that this year is a perfect example of why the BCS fails and a playoff is needed.

Houston may be an anomoly, but I get your point.

Interesting take on bad losses as opposed to good wins.

ESPN did a nice comparison on the three tonight. I will provide what they presented, but I recalculated the opponents' win percentage because I thought TCU's was significantly lower than what ESPN presented and it was:

Cincinnati - 0 losses, 3-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.490, points per game 39.8
TCU - 0 losses, 2-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.486, points per game 40.7
Texas - 0 losses, 2-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.529, points per game 40.7

These three teams are putting up similar PPG and are essentially indifferentiable when it comes to overall record and record against top 25 teams. However, when comparing the opponents' win percentages, it is apparent that Texas has played a tougher schedule than Cinci and TCU. For this reason, and the fact that the BCS does not look at margin of victory in consideration, the best case can be made for Texas.

bulldog8 wrote: ESPN did a nice comparison on the three tonight. I will provide what they presented, but I recalculated the opponents' win percentage because I thought TCU's was significantly lower than what ESPN presented and it was:

Cincinnati - 0 losses, 3-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.490, points per game 39.8
TCU - 0 losses, 2-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.486, points per game 40.7
Texas - 0 losses, 2-0 vs. top 25 teams, opponents' win percentage 0.529, points per game 40.7

These three teams are putting up similar PPG and are essentially indifferentiable when it comes to overall record and record against top 25 teams. However, when comparing the opponents' win percentages, it is apparent that Texas has played a tougher schedule than Cinci and TCU. For this reason, and the fact that the BCS does not look at margin of victory in consideration, the best case can be made for Texas.

There was talk on another thread earlier this week that led to looking at more than just a strict PPG average and looking at what other teams did outside of the games against the teams in this conversation. I don't feel like going back and looking at it now, but the defensive example that was most impressive was that TCU held every single opponent below their season average. Cincinnati, in (now) three recent games gave up a couple TDs more than what those teams averaged against the remainder of their schedule. I would imagine Texas and TCU are fairly similar in how they've scored and allowed points, though Texas' recent game against Texas A&M was a big defensive letdown.

I'm pretty well sold on TCU as legit, but if you have to differentiate the two somehow, there are a lot of little things that work in Texas' favor (including the opponent's win % that you pointed out above).

goosebumps wrote: Cincinnati has more quality wins than Texas for sure, but Texas will get the nod and Cincinnati will get dominated by Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

Fixed it for you.

UC has the best wins of them all IMO. Oregon State proved to be a very good team (going to Corvalis is always tough) and Pitt is a good football team. They also beat WVU who is decent. It's pretty bad when those 3 wins are better than what Texas, TCU, and Boise has to show.