ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 27, 2011 5:46pm
Subject to change upon appeal, divisions will be set next month.
http://ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll11.htm
I have also put them into a file for those who want to crunch numbers and guess. There are 2 sheets, the first one is all schools, the second one I thinned out to schools that fielded a football team in 2010 (there's one extra school in there and I can't figure out who it is).
Excel was not cooperating, so I put it on Google Docs. From there you can download it as an Excel file or whatnot, if you so choose.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ajqg1KSHCwzEdElNVmtqaDRIaFdKeENxN1FRYzUydVE&hl=en&authkey=CMmk0vEL
Keep in mind there will be some changes, plus possible restructirings (for example, Youngstown Chaney is most likely not fielding a team if they realign as planned, and East will jump to D1 from their D2 number)
http://ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll11.htm
I have also put them into a file for those who want to crunch numbers and guess. There are 2 sheets, the first one is all schools, the second one I thinned out to schools that fielded a football team in 2010 (there's one extra school in there and I can't figure out who it is).
Excel was not cooperating, so I put it on Google Docs. From there you can download it as an Excel file or whatnot, if you so choose.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ajqg1KSHCwzEdElNVmtqaDRIaFdKeENxN1FRYzUydVE&hl=en&authkey=CMmk0vEL
Keep in mind there will be some changes, plus possible restructirings (for example, Youngstown Chaney is most likely not fielding a team if they realign as planned, and East will jump to D1 from their D2 number)
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Apr 28, 2011 9:55am
I noticed that in the football only, Tuscarawas Central Catholic was not listed. If they aren't playing football next year the coach they just hired from Miami, FL is going to be pissed.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 28, 2011 1:12pm
Wooball;752715 wrote:I noticed that in the football only, Tuscarawas Central Catholic was not listed. If they aren't playing football next year the coach they just hired from Miami, FL is going to be pissed.
Oops, must have clicked on the wrong cell. I'll fix it tonight.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 28, 2011 1:21pm
These are not 2011-2013 enrollment figures. These are October 2010 enrollment figures for grades 9-11 which are used to determine the divisions for the following two years. Keep in mind there may or may not be a multiplier criteria added to these. That's yet to be determined.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 28, 2011 1:42pm
I didn't want the thread title to be wordy so I simplified it.Con_Alma;752942 wrote:These are not 2011-2013 enrollment figures. These are October 2010 enrollment figures for grades 9-11 which are used to determine the divisions for the following two years. Keep in mind there may or may not be a multiplier criteria added to these. That's yet to be determined.
Earliest they would implement anything regarding competitive balance is 2012 (but likely 2013) if it passes, so crunch away for 2011.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 28, 2011 8:23pm
ts1227;752932 wrote:Oops, must have clicked on the wrong cell. I'll fix it tonight.
Added.
reddevil90
Posts: 953
Apr 29, 2011 2:03pm
Hmmmm
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 30, 2011 12:26am
My estimates based on logical breaks, tendency to keep D1 a few schools smaller and the rest even, etc.
D1: 496 and up
D2: 326 to 495
D3: 239 to 325
D4: 171 to 238
D5: 121 to 170
D6: 120 and down
D1: 496 and up
D2: 326 to 495
D3: 239 to 325
D4: 171 to 238
D5: 121 to 170
D6: 120 and down
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AcesinCalifornia
Posts: 67
Apr 30, 2011 12:43pm
ts1127,
Thanks for the spreadsheets. I did notice that you did not include Portsmouth Notre Dame on your football sheet. They always have a team.
Thanks for the spreadsheets. I did notice that you did not include Portsmouth Notre Dame on your football sheet. They always have a team.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 30, 2011 8:51pm
I can't believe I missed them. They've played teams from up around me in the playoffs so I know they field a team.AcesinCalifornia;755178 wrote:ts1127,
Thanks for the spreadsheets. I did notice that you did not include Portsmouth Notre Dame on your football sheet. They always have a team.
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soupcitysoldier
Posts: 372
May 1, 2011 5:29pm
any guesses where this will leave campbell memorial? just asking you guys that know the numbers
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
May 1, 2011 9:02pm
At 149 boys, they're a slam dunk D5... right in the middle of the D5 range.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
May 3, 2011 10:55am
will be interesting for D3 Region 11 when the classifications come out. Last years Championship game pitted Marlington(326) v Dover (322). In parentheses are the enrollment figures for 2011-2013. What do you think the odds are for either of them to move up to DII for this coming season? I don't think Dover has been DII since about 2001.ts1227;755049 wrote:My estimates based on logical breaks, tendency to keep D1 a few schools smaller and the rest even, etc.
D1: 496 and up
D2: 326 to 495
D3: 239 to 325
D4: 171 to 238
D5: 121 to 170
D6: 120 and down
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
May 3, 2011 11:21am
Wooball;758111 wrote:will be interesting for D3 Region 11 when the classifications come out. Last years Championship game pitted Marlington(326) v Dover (322). In parentheses are the enrollment figures for 2011-2013. What do you think the odds are for either of them to move up to DII for this coming season? I don't think Dover has been DII since about 2001.
Someone over on yappi projected Marlington to move up. It is going to be close. I think Dover will stay put though, I don't see the line coming down to 322 unless some numbers change after appeals
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
May 3, 2011 3:48pm
ts1227;755049 wrote:My estimates based on logical breaks, tendency to keep D1 a few schools smaller and the rest even, etc.
D1: 496 and up
D2: 326 to 495
D3: 239 to 325
D4: 171 to 238
D5: 121 to 170
D6: 120 and down
By those numbers.....
D1 = 116 teams
D2 = 122 teams
D3 = 124 teams
D4 = 114 teams
D5 = 110 teams
D6 = 131 teams
I think that's a little imbalanced. Current enrollment has anywhere from 116 teams to 122 teams per division...a range of only 6. Your breaks go anywhere from 110 teams (D4) to 131 teams (D6).
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
May 3, 2011 3:57pm
ts,
I should add....great work with the spreadsheets and removing the non-football schools.
My breaks look like this...
D1 - 495+ (118 schools)
D2 - 324-494 (121 schools)
D3 - 241-323 (119 schools)
D4 - 170-240 (121 schools)
D5 - 119-169 (121 schools)
D6 - 37-118 (117 schools)
Tried to even out D6 a little, but at the bottom of D5, there's 8 schools with an enrollment of 119. If you drop all of those to D6, there'd only be 113 schools in D5.
I should add....great work with the spreadsheets and removing the non-football schools.
My breaks look like this...
D1 - 495+ (118 schools)
D2 - 324-494 (121 schools)
D3 - 241-323 (119 schools)
D4 - 170-240 (121 schools)
D5 - 119-169 (121 schools)
D6 - 37-118 (117 schools)
Tried to even out D6 a little, but at the bottom of D5, there's 8 schools with an enrollment of 119. If you drop all of those to D6, there'd only be 113 schools in D5.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
May 4, 2011 4:57pm
Eh, my estimates were made at midnight on a Saturday, which means I was probably hammered, lol.
I at least attempted to keep them even, but failed. Those look pretty good. They may kick one number down in D2 and D3, because historically when they can get away with it they do tend to keep D1 toward 115 or so (they didn't in 2009, however). Usually its at the expense of D5/6, but with 6 schools at 119 they have a mess there anyway.
I at least attempted to keep them even, but failed. Those look pretty good. They may kick one number down in D2 and D3, because historically when they can get away with it they do tend to keep D1 toward 115 or so (they didn't in 2009, however). Usually its at the expense of D5/6, but with 6 schools at 119 they have a mess there anyway.
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
May 5, 2011 11:13am
I brought 1 more team up to D1 (Avon Lake) so they have 119 now, and D2 has 120.ts1227;759769 wrote:Eh, my estimates were made at midnight on a Saturday, which means I was probably hammered, lol.
I at least attempted to keep them even, but failed. Those look pretty good. They may kick one number down in D2 and D3, because historically when they can get away with it they do tend to keep D1 toward 115 or so (they didn't in 2009, however). Usually its at the expense of D5/6, but with 6 schools at 119 they have a mess there anyway.
Who knows how it will work out.
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Dad4Sports
Posts: 1,779
May 17, 2011 8:36am
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
May 21, 2011 6:13pm
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think it'd be interesting if Ohio did what Michigan does with football.
They have A B C D rankings (A=biggest and so on). Once the regular season is over, anyone with 6 wins (Michigan plays 9 game schedules, so it'd be 6-3) gets admitted into the playoffs. Once these numbers are broken down, the teams are distributed evenly in 8 divisions (I believe 32 teams/division like Ohio).
There really isn't an issue of balance number wise because the school isn't broken down into the divisions until the season is over. In all reality, you don't know if you'll be in division 1 or 2... until you realize who all made the playoffs.
They have A B C D rankings (A=biggest and so on). Once the regular season is over, anyone with 6 wins (Michigan plays 9 game schedules, so it'd be 6-3) gets admitted into the playoffs. Once these numbers are broken down, the teams are distributed evenly in 8 divisions (I believe 32 teams/division like Ohio).
There really isn't an issue of balance number wise because the school isn't broken down into the divisions until the season is over. In all reality, you don't know if you'll be in division 1 or 2... until you realize who all made the playoffs.