Should ND coach Brian Kelly step down?

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Mar 15, 2011 11:51 PM
Except its 3 football fields and it wasn't a giant forklift.
Mar 15, 2011 11:51pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 15, 2011 11:52 PM
This thread is worthless and was started by someone who has an agenda!

Oh and to answer the question.......NO!
Mar 15, 2011 11:52pm
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Mar 15, 2011 11:53 PM
karen lotz;713666 wrote:Except its 3 football fields and it wasn't a giant forklift.

Wasn't it raised some 50 feet in the air? I thought I heard that.
Mar 15, 2011 11:53pm
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Mar 15, 2011 11:55 PM
rock_knutne;713667 wrote:This thread is worthless and was started by someone who has an agenda!

Oh and to answer the question.......NO!
Oh no, I have an agenda!
SportsAndLady;713670 wrote:Wasn't it raised some 50 feet in the air? I thought I heard that.

I think the article said 39 ft. 2 other kids were at 20ft, i believe.
Mar 15, 2011 11:55pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 12:37 AM
Pick6;713675 wrote:Oh no, I have an agenda!

Really? What's this:

What do you guys think about someone who is responsible for somebody's death?

Did someone involved in the investigation directly blame Brian Kelly for what happened? Is there any proof that he's responsible? Claiming someone is responsible for another persons death is a strong statement, especially when there's absolutely nothing to back it up with.
Mar 16, 2011 12:37am
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Mar 16, 2011 12:45 AM
rock_knutne;713720 wrote:Really? What's this:



Did someone involved in the investigation directly blame Brian Kelly for what happened? Is there any proof that he's responsible? Claiming someone is responsible for another persons death is a strong statement, especially when there's absolutely nothing to back it up with.

The article says that it was found to be Notre Dame's fault. Kelly is in charge of football practice, decided to practice outside, knew practice would be recorded, knew the weather conditions, knew the students would be in a forklift.

How can you say he wasn't responsible for it at all?
Mar 16, 2011 12:45am
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Mar 16, 2011 1:02 AM
If the Sullivan's say "we want Brian Kelly to resign," I would probably think more about it.
Mar 16, 2011 1:02am
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Mar 16, 2011 3:46 AM
WebFire;713648 wrote:There are people in place for that. He probably didn't even notice a kid or a scissor lift was even present. You guys simplify this way too much.

This is what I am trying to say, he is watching 80 kids playing football. Not the ones behind him filming the practice. Common seance would suggest that a school like ND would not use equipment that could possibly hurt or kill someone. I just don't see this to be anything more than a tragic accident and one to learn from at most. This could have happened to any coach at any school IMO.
Mar 16, 2011 3:46am
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Mar 16, 2011 7:47 AM
Someone should have been axed for allowing use of the lifts during the wind warning. If no one is, or not one is claiming responsibility for allowing the use and not heeding the wind warnings, it should go all the way to the top, to the person in charge of the practice which is Kelly. Someone died in this situation, someone needs to be responsible.
Mar 16, 2011 7:47am
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Mar 16, 2011 7:58 AM
bo shemmy3337;713774 wrote:This is what I am trying to say, he is watching 80 kids playing football. Not the ones behind him filming the practice. Common seance would suggest that a school like ND would not use equipment that could possibly hurt or kill someone. I just don't see this to be anything more than a tragic accident and one to learn from at most. This could have happened to any coach at any school IMO.

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Mar 16, 2011 7:58am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:21 AM
Brian Kelly is the one who is responsible....he is the head coach and to say he didnt 'notice' is laughable. it is his responsibility. that being said it is a tragic accident and i dont know what the proper response should be. certainly his family handled it with more dignity than most.
Mar 16, 2011 8:21am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:37 AM
Gblock;713812 wrote:Brian Kelly is the one who is responsible....he is the head coach and to say he didnt 'notice' is laughable. it is his responsibility. that being said it is a tragic accident and i dont know what the proper response should be. certainly his family handled it with more dignity than most.

No way. The head coach cannot be in charge of every little thing that goes on. It's not feasible (well, unless you don't ever want him to actually coach). That is why they have people in place to be in charge of these types of things. Simpletons some of you are.
Mar 16, 2011 8:37am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:40 AM
wildcats20;713410 wrote:FWIW...



NOT Brian Kelly.

Yes, BK made the decision to practice outside; but if the kid didn't think it was safe, he didn't HAVE to go up.

I don't think he should step down-absolutely not, but this statement above is absurd--if your employer tells you to go up and do your job, you go--especially when you're a kid that needs that job.
Mar 16, 2011 8:40am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:42 AM
vball10set;713820 wrote:I don't think he should step down-absolutely not, but this statement above is absurd--if your employer tells you to go up and do your job, you go--especially when you're a kid that needs that job.

Especially when it is the employer's responsibility to tell them not to.
Mar 16, 2011 8:42am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:43 AM
rock_knutne;713720 wrote:Really? What's this:



Did someone involved in the investigation directly blame Brian Kelly for what happened? Is there any proof that he's responsible? Claiming someone is responsible for another persons death is a strong statement, especially when there's absolutely nothing to back it up with.
OSHA will only hold an entity responsible not an individual. Not a good source to use as evidence that someone is not respnsible just because they were not named.
Mar 16, 2011 8:43am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:43 AM
^^exactly
Mar 16, 2011 8:43am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:48 AM
WebFire;713818 wrote:No way. The head coach cannot be in charge of every little thing that goes on. It's not feasible (well, unless you don't ever want him to actually coach). That is why they have people in place to be in charge of these types of things. Simpletons some of you are.
the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on...having played and coached at the college level this is not a small detail such as pre game meals or getting the equipment on the bus...this was easily noticeable and common sense. He surely saw the guy up on the crane as did everyone else. even if you say he doesnt pay attention to those things, he hired/assigned someone to do it, so he is the one who is responsible.
Mar 16, 2011 8:48am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:49 AM
WebFire;713818 wrote:No way. The head coach cannot be in charge of every little thing that goes on. It's not feasible (well, unless you don't ever want him to actually coach). That is why they have people in place to be in charge of these types of things. Simpletons some of you are.

That last sentence was Yoda-esque. I'm diggin' it.
Mar 16, 2011 8:49am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:56 AM
Gblock;713830 wrote:the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on...having played and coached at the college level this is not a small detail such as pre game meals or getting the equipment on the bus...this was easily noticeable and common sense. He surely saw the guy up on the crane as did everyone else. even if you say he doesnt pay attention to those things, he hired/assigned someone to do it, so he is the one who is responsible.

Did you play/coach FBS football?
Mar 16, 2011 8:56am
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Mar 16, 2011 8:59 AM
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Mar 16, 2011 8:59am
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Mar 16, 2011 9:40 AM
I know it's not the same, but it would be like saying Gordon Gee is responsible for the meningitis death at OSU this week.

Obviously Kelly holds more responsibility than Gee in this situation, but there is absolutely no way he should lose his job, unless he specifically ordered the kid up the lift. I doubt Kelly thought twice about it, and yes he may be wrong for that, but he coaches football. He's not in charge of the filming.
Mar 16, 2011 9:40am
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Mar 16, 2011 9:45 AM
OneBuckeye;713799 wrote:Someone should have been axed for allowing use of the lifts during the wind warning. If no one is, or not one is claiming responsibility for allowing the use and not heeding the wind warnings, it should go all the way to the top, to the person in charge of the practice which is Kelly. Someone died in this situation, someone needs to be responsible.
Why stop at Kelly? If we're "going all the way to the top" maybe you should be grabbing your torch and pitchfork and going after Father Jenkins. After all, he's the president of the university. He should have told Kelly that he had to practice inside.

See how silly that sounds?
Mar 16, 2011 9:45am
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Mar 16, 2011 9:50 AM
im not saying he should be fired...i truly do believe that it was an accident. but if anyone is responsible it would be him. for example years ago a special ed student was giving blowjobs in the auditorium that was supposed to be locked. since she was a minor and in special ed it was basically a rape. the principal wasn't even in the building that day but was fired. she was fired because the procedures that she had put in place to either have the auditorium locked or to have someone show up to do hall duty failed(she did have someone assigned to be on hall duty). as far as the auditorium being locked it was just a door left open by who knows. certainly the principal didnt leave it open.

The coach said that "in terms of the tragedy that occurred, there's never been a more difficult time in my life." i think if you asked him and he wasnt facing litigation he would say he felt responsible. that being said should he lose his job and never be able to work again, probably not. it was an accident albeit an avoidable one.
Mar 16, 2011 9:50am
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Mar 16, 2011 9:53 AM
FWIW...







NOT Brian Kelly.



Yes, BK made the decision to practice outside; but if the kid didn't think it was safe, he didn't HAVE to go up.


I don't think he should step down-absolutely not, but this statement above is absurd--if your employer tells you to go up and do your job, you go--especially when you're a kid that needs that job.
I don't care what my employer says. If my life is in danger, I'm not doing it.

Ill find another employer.
Mar 16, 2011 9:53am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:22 AM
wildcats20;713896 wrote:I don't care what my employer says. If my life is in danger, I'm not doing it.

Ill find another employer.

I'd like to think we all would, but when you're a 20 year old who is given the responsibility as Sullivan was to do a job, you do it. At that age I'd have to believe he didn't feel he was in any real imminent danger because his superiors didn't stop him or warn him--and to me that's where the problem lies.
Mar 16, 2011 10:22am