Laley23
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Mar 2, 2011 12:12pm
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-bigten030111
No clue how Aaron Craft got FOY when Sully is on the first team lol. Mustve been a case of not awarding it to someone who was on the All B1G teams.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-bigten030111
No clue how Aaron Craft got FOY when Sully is on the first team lol. Mustve been a case of not awarding it to someone who was on the All B1G teams.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-bigten030111
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 2, 2011 12:24pm
Laley, they had him tabbed as POY. I'll take Sully at POY than FOY. IMO Craft and Sully's value to the team are very close if not level.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 2, 2011 12:31pm
lhslep134;697273 wrote:Laley, they had him tabbed as POY. I'll take Sully at POY than FOY. IMO Craft and Sully's value to the team are very close if not level.
Sullinger and Crafts value to the team are not that close, but I would argue that they are the most valuable and second most valuable. Sullinger is far and away the most valuable player on the team.
It is a little surprising to Lighty listed above Buford though.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Mar 2, 2011 12:31pm
Sure Craft plays some good defense and doesnt turn the ball over much. But a national POY favorite is def worth more to a team than a scrappy point guard IMO
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 2, 2011 12:53pm
Hb31187;697282 wrote:Sure Craft plays some good defense and doesnt turn the ball over much. But a national POY favorite is def worth more to a team than a scrappy point guard IMO
I think you're underrating the importance of an extremely gifted ball handling point guard.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 2, 2011 12:57pm
lhslep134;697313 wrote:I think you're underrating the importance of an extremely gifted ball handling point guard.
I think you are underrating a National POY candidate. People don't realize how important Sullinger is to OSU's offensive scheme, even when he's not scoring the ball.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Mar 2, 2011 12:57pm
Buford on 3rd team is a joke. E Moore didn't start playing until halfway through the season.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Mar 2, 2011 12:59pm
lhslep134;697313 wrote:I think you're underrating the importance of an extremely gifted ball handling point guard.
Theres like 6 or 7 other guards with Crafts ball handling skills at pg in the big 10. There is 1 other big with a skill set even close to Sullys in the big 10
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Mar 2, 2011 1:02pm
OneBuckeye;697319 wrote:Buford on 3rd team is a joke. E Moore didn't start playing until halfway through the season.
Moore started 30 games to Bufords 29. Averaged more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals along with less turnovers(didnt average THAT much more than Buford at all in some of those however). Moore should easily be over Buford
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Mar 2, 2011 1:51pm
I have no issue with Moore on 1st team. But Lucas, Morris and even Lighty on second team over Buford is a joke.
lhslep134
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Mar 2, 2011 1:54pm
Hb31187;697322 wrote:Theres like 6 or 7 other guards with Crafts ball handling skills at pg in the big 10. There is 1 other big with a skill set even close to Sullys in the big 10
So you think they're 6 or 7 B10 PGs as good as Craft?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Mar 2, 2011 1:57pm
Hb31187;697282 wrote:Sure Craft plays some good defense and doesnt turn the ball over much. But a national POY favorite is def worth more to a team than a scrappy point guard IMO
Actually, he plays GREAT friggen defense!!
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 2, 2011 1:58pm
Willy B didn't really come on big 'till the second half, I think he's low too, but that might be an explanation.
Hb31187
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Mar 2, 2011 2:02pm
lhslep134;697379 wrote:So you think they're 6 or 7 B10 PGs as good as Craft?
Morris
Taylor
Lucas
Battle
McCamey
Thompson
Thought about Nolan, but he was injured all year
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 2, 2011 2:03pm
lhslep134;697273 wrote:Laley, they had him tabbed as POY. I'll take Sully at POY than FOY. IMO Craft and Sully's value to the team are very close if not level.
Yeah I know. So a FR as POY cant be FOY in the conference? Makes no sense.
And having Sully and Craft at the same level is ridiculous.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Mar 2, 2011 2:04pm
centralbucksfan;697385 wrote:Actually, he plays GREAT friggen defense!!
Okay? Still doesnt make him as valuable as a POY favorite
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 2, 2011 2:05pm
Laley23;697393 wrote:Yeah I know. So a FR as POY cant be FOY in the conference? Makes no sense.
And having Sully and Craft at the same level is ridiculous.
Not sure if the Big 10 is like that, but I've heard of leagues all conference teams where if a freshman is on the 1st team, he's not eligible for freshman POY.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 2, 2011 2:07pm
It doesn't matter to me who gets what "award". As long as the Buckeyes finish on top I'll be happy.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Mar 2, 2011 2:10pm
Diebler got snubbed? Didn't he deserve at least something?
lhslep134
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Mar 2, 2011 2:11pm
Laley23;697393 wrote:Yeah I know. So a FR as POY cant be FOY in the conference? Makes no sense.
And having Sully and Craft at the same level is ridiculous.
Didn't say skill level was equal. Value to the team is close to level IMO. I don't think we're nearly as good if we don't have a PG, and certainly not a national championship contender without him. So if we're not a national championship contender without Craft, and we're not a national championship contender without Sully, how is my statement ridiculous?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 2, 2011 2:15pm
Just because of the options a strong 5 gives you.lhslep134;697408 wrote:Didn't say skill level was equal. Value to the team is close to level IMO. I don't think we're nearly as good if we don't have a PG, and certainly not a national championship contender without him. So if we're not a national championship contender without Craft, and we're not a national championship contender without Sully, how is my statement ridiculous?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Mar 2, 2011 2:21pm
lol @ Morris and Thompson. As a PG Craft is better than Battle(I don't think Battle is technically even the PG).Hb31187;697390 wrote:Morris
Taylor
Lucas
Battle
McCamey
Thompson
Thought about Nolan, but he was injured all year
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 2, 2011 2:25pm
ytownfootball;697415 wrote:Just because of the options a strong 5 gives you.
I understand that BUT:
OSU w/o Craft: No national championship chance
OSU w/o Sully: No national championship chance
So it would seem pretty apparent to me they have pretty similar value in the grand scheme of things even if not on a play-by-play or minute-to-minute basis.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 2, 2011 2:27pm
lhslep134;697408 wrote:Didn't say skill level was equal. Value to the team is close to level IMO. I don't think we're nearly as good if we don't have a PG, and certainly not a national championship contender without him. So if we're not a national championship contender without Craft, and we're not a national championship contender without Sully, how is my statement ridiculous?
Because the Buckeyes probably win the Big Ten without Craft, at least still top 3. Without Sully, not sure.
Not to mention, you can find plenty of PGs to fill in for Craft and be serviceable enough to still win a title with the Bucks. There are a handfull (if that) post players who can take Sullys spot and be as effective.
Sorry, but a POY candidate is not equaled by anyone on his team in terms of skill, value, whatever. Craft may be VERY valuable to the Buckeyes, but he is not as valuable as Sully. No way, no how.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 2, 2011 2:28pm
lhslep134;697433 wrote:I understand that BUT:
OSU w/o Craft: No national championship chance
OSU w/o Sully: No national championship chance
So it would seem pretty apparent to me they have pretty similar value in the grand scheme of things even if not on a play-by-play or minute-to-minute basis.
If thats the case everyone of the Buckeyes top 7 guys are equal lol. Without Buford or Diebler or Lighty this team has no shot either. I mean, thats a terrible way to look at it.
And back to the point of replacing the said players. Not possible with Sully, very possible with Craft.