xnds1fan
Posts: 442
Feb 27, 2011 2:10pm
What would you think about the top 5 going to the state tournament. At the state run 20 man brackets with the 4th and 5th place wrestlers in a rat tail. With that match being a one and done. After watching a district tournament yesterday, I think it would be a good idea. There were in my opinion a few of the 5th place wrestlers who were better than the 4th place wrestler. It would also add to the district finals. The 3rd place matches would be a bit more fiery because wrestlers would want to stay out of the one and done rat tail. The 5th place match would be a true thrill of victory and agony of defeat. The finals are a little anticlimactic as they are now. The consolation semis are the best round because of that all or nothing mentality.
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knightflyer150
Posts: 491
Feb 27, 2011 3:28pm
...I love the idea if I finish 5th!
Westie101
Posts: 847
Feb 27, 2011 3:29pm
Bitterrunner-up, Didnt they use to take top 5 at your distict in high school?
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RussianBear
Posts: 23
Feb 27, 2011 4:38pm
xnds1fan;693493 wrote:What would you think about the top 5 going to the state tournament. At the state run 20 man brackets with the 4th and 5th place wrestlers in a rat tail. With that match being a one and done. After watching a district tournament yesterday, I think it would be a good idea. There were in my opinion a few of the 5th place wrestlers who were better than the 4th place wrestler. It would also add to the district finals. The 3rd place matches would be a bit more fiery because wrestlers would want to stay out of the one and done rat tail. The 5th place match would be a true thrill of victory and agony of defeat. The finals are a little anticlimactic as they are now. The consolation semis are the best round because of that all or nothing mentality.
Nope, I don't think so. Then somebody would want to take the top six when they finish sixth.
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Bitterrunner-up
Posts: 632
Feb 27, 2011 5:16pm
Yeah, back in the day, to solve the issue of the state's unbalanced regional talent, Akron Firestone (DII Northeast) would take five while one of the "lesser" Districts would take three to keep the State bracket at 16. I also seem to recall Mentor going down to three qualifiers for a year or two which was an absolute crime.Westie101;693600 wrote:Bitterrunner-up, Didnt they use to take top 5 at your distict in high school?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 27, 2011 5:27pm
I wouldn't be ok with the idea. No point in watering down the tournament. There are definitely some pretty good wrestlers who are being left out, but there are also some wrestlers who get 5th and would have no business wrestling at the state tournament. The state already places the top 8 which I think is ridiculous. If you want to make the bracket bigger, than the state should go to two divisions in my opinion.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 27, 2011 9:44pm
Once the team State Championship is determined by duals, coming here very shortly, there's no reason at all to have three divisions for the individual tournament. Make it one division with a 32 man bracket at each weight class.like_that;693821 wrote:... The state already places the top 8 which I think is ridiculous. If you want to make the bracket bigger, than the state should go to two divisions in my opinion.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 27, 2011 10:18pm
Con_Alma;694152 wrote:Once the team State Championship is determined by duals, coming here very shortly, there's no reason at all to have three divisions for the individual tournament. Make it one division with a 32 man bracket at each weight class.
OHSAA won't do that because of the money they make. That is why I say go to 2 divisions, 24 man brackets. Same amount of wrestlers as the previous tournament.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Feb 27, 2011 11:27pm
Considering that my nephew finished 5th...put me down as in favor. 
firestonefan
Posts: 417
Feb 27, 2011 11:34pm
Tylor Brokaw (Ravenna Southeast) 5th at the W Branch sectional, 4th at Firestone.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 28, 2011 12:03am
Yup, I was cheering for him and was glad he won his go-to match.
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ptrsn
Posts: 356
Feb 28, 2011 12:40pm
Bitter--the E/SE district is the "lesser" district you are thinking of. They used to only take 3 to state (mid 80s-mid 90s) until they combined with the central and started taking 4. When they only took 3 nobody watched the championships because the 3rd place match meant so much more.
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Headoutside
Posts: 14
Feb 28, 2011 12:46pm
Ptrsn are you and RK still going out of town this week?
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ptrsn
Posts: 356
Feb 28, 2011 12:49pm
yes. we are leaving after school on friday. probably go to hoolywood casino friday night before the tournament on saturday in harrisburg.
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Headoutside
Posts: 14
Feb 28, 2011 12:54pm
ptrsn;694666 wrote:yes. we are leaving after school on friday. probably go to hoolywood casino friday night before the tournament on saturday in harrisburg.
Nice. I am going to Division I nationals this year with the gang. We are going to stay at Atlantic City for some festivities and drive back and forth inbetween. You should come.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Feb 28, 2011 12:55pm
Had two kids place 5th... I still say no. (I'd like to point out that I'm STILL not over these.)
Our kid "placed" 8th two years ago... I still say no. (If and when a 32 or even 24 -man bracket is in place, place top 8.)
Our kid "placed" 8th two years ago... I still say no. (If and when a 32 or even 24 -man bracket is in place, place top 8.)
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 28, 2011 12:56pm
Agreed.cruiser_96;694677 wrote:...... I still say no. (If and when a 32 or even 24 -man bracket is in place, place top 8.)
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 28, 2011 12:57pm
Oh trust me, I know that too well. I was merely offering what I think is the right thing to do. I am not infavor of changing it if it isn't done the right way.like_that;694205 wrote:OHSAA won't do that because of the money they make. ....
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Bitterrunner-up
Posts: 632
Feb 28, 2011 1:02pm
ptrsn;694643 wrote:Bitter--the E/SE district is the "lesser" district you are thinking of. They used to only take 3 to state (mid 80s-mid 90s) until they combined with the central and started taking 4. When they only took 3 nobody watched the championships because the 3rd place match meant so much more.
Yeah, that's the way it was at Firestone too. That 5th/6th was quite a show.
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Mar 2, 2011 12:41am
I believe it is a good idea I saw many quality kids such as shaefer from chanel get fifth in a loaded class. It's def worth considering plus itd be a competition for all the areas of Ohio to compete to see who is the beast region! I love it! The kids who placed fifth deserve a shot because they worked thief tails off to ge Thier shot too. Plus it'd make the 5th place march WAY more interesting.... I'm all for it !
xnds1fan
Posts: 442
Mar 3, 2011 6:58am
I knew some wouldn't like the idea at all. In a way it wouldn't send any more to state because the kids would have to win the 4th/5th place match before they got into the state tournament. If they lost that one match they were done. For just that one reason the 3rd/4th place match at the districts would be battle till the end.
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snugglyhippo
Posts: 272
Mar 3, 2011 8:57pm
I love these discussions. Inevitably, everyone is an oatmeal eating, werthers original sucking, depends wearing old fogey...everyone hates change of any kind. Loosen up.
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snugglyhippo
Posts: 272
Mar 3, 2011 8:58pm
Right now, as we speak, Cruiser is sitting next to his computer with one of those horns stuck in his ear trying to listen to this post saying "Huh"!!! "What"!!!
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Mar 3, 2011 10:11pm
Huh? What?
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iwrestle365
Posts: 64
Mar 4, 2011 8:48am
xnds1fan;693493 wrote:What would you think about the top 5 going to the state tournament.
In your version would this apply to sectionals too